Tresspassing Slob Hunters, Part II

[BCrouse]

TOTAL opposite here.

A friend in PA is a "Sheriff", whatever that means and drives his own car and carries his own weapon! He is one of those people that are just hoping for a violent confrontation. He does, or used to be involved with combat pistol competition and has a 50 cal belt fed mg. Probably carries it around in the trunk of his car, just in case!

What county? This does not make a lot of sense with the office of Sheriff.

If you said Constable. It would make more sense....

 

[Luke'sScreenName]

I'm so surprised that would work. Often neighbors can't even agree and get along.

What about different mindsets (about hunting) or even snowmobiling, as in the snowmobile crowd vs cross country skiers, or the basic right to privacy on your own land.

Your right, it surprised the heck out of me when we moved up here. It's so far from the standard of South Texas, where I grew up, that I went and talked to someone at the police department. You can post your property but the rules to do so are fairly obtrusive IMO. Also, if you post yoy are not eligible for some property tax reduction programs.

We also have a snowmobile trail/highway going through the property. The trails are maintained by private clubs, each with a 'district', with some governmental oversight. Landowner liability protection is provided by the state. Landowner can bar use. All very strange to me at first.

All that being said, I have not had significant trespassing, hunter, or snowmobile problems.

 

[Dftodd]

Now, you can see where someone going from a state where it's an open use land policy, to one where you have to ask permission can run afoul of some folks unintentionally. It's just what your used too.

In my case we had 100 acres surrounded by international papers land, and national forest. Depending on which direction you were going, you could end up on any number of people's property with out realizing it. If you know the people in the area real well, you may have an idea where there property is, but unless it's marked prominently, you wouldn't know for sure. And most property boundaries weren't prominently marked.

The 20 years I lived there, we would have quite a few hunters cross the property. But only had a couple of times where someone was evicted from the property and issued a no trespassing order. Once, a guy peppered my dad and I with bird shot while we were logging a back lot. Game warden had a field day with that person, since they were hunting with out a liscense. Reckless discharge of a fire arm, ect....

Had some kids issued trespassing citations for tearing up the property with atv's. They wouldn't have been caught if they didn't do 50 mph past the house and one of them decided to do donuts in front of the house. Sheriff happened to be sitting at the bottom of our hills watching for speeders. The third was a hippy couple that decided to bath in the reflection pond 20 feet behind the house at 7:00 am. They had wandered 15 miles through the woods from a hippy festival on the other side of the mountain. They ended up spending some time sobering up in the local jail.

 

[turnkey4099]

A Sheriff is a Constitutional Officer, elected by the people. In my area of Virginia, Loudoun County (the richest county in America), the Sheriff is the chief law enforcement officer and answers to no one, but the Constitution of the United States and Virginia. Where a police chief is appointed by a politician (and then acts according to that politicians wishes or can be replaced), a sheriff is democratically elected and does whatever they feel would best suit the citizens, his department, and lead to his re-election. That's how Sheriff Arpaio stayed in office so long. Nobody could remove him.

A deputy sheriff is appointed by the Sheriff and has no civil service protections in most cases. When a new Sheriff takes office, every employee could technically be fired, but that doesn't happen.

As for the weapons allowed or accessible by a Sheriff - he can have whatever HE deems necessary and proper; if that means a 50-cal, so be it.

Good explanation of what a Sheriff is. I dispatched for 10 years. One night we had a manhunt on for an excaped murderer, roadblocks, all hands on deck type thing. State Patrol called asking who authorized all the call outs of Stape Patrol troops. I told hime "The Sheriff" and patched him through. Nothing more heard.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I am still trying to remember the name of the town my friend lives in, so I can look up the Cnty. Never been there. Once almost back in the 90s. Got lost on the way, on account of signage obscured by trees. Got going the wrong way on I something. Could not get off very soon. Got annoyed and was speeding back trying to make up lost time. Got a ticket! Got pissed off and headed home!

That's OK. We probably would have gotten into some kind of trouble anyway.

 

[LD1]

We would all be screwed if deer had guns. Unless we regulate the crap out of it. What weapons they can use, seasons, time of day to hunt, etc etc.

Deer are naturally gifted for being elusive. They have far superior eyesight. Even with modern optics, we cannot compete.
Deer have way better hearing. Nothing we have can compare
Deer have way better sense of smell. Nothing we have can compete.
Deer are way faster. Sure we have vehicles and ATV's, but arent allowed to use them for hunting, other than going to and from, and harvesting after the kill.

Up here, long range rifles arent allowed. Only short-range straight walled rounds, shotgun slugs (no buckshot), or muzzle loaders. And thats only a few weeks a year those can be used. Other than that.....its bow and arrow. And only for a few months a year, and only during daylight. Deer can see at night.

IF we allowed deer to hunt humans, as funny as that sounds, we would be grossly out matched.

But hey, we have thumbs so I am not complaining.

 

[Thall303]

TOTAL opposite here.

A friend in PA is a "Sheriff", whatever that means and drives his own car and carries his own weapon! He is one of those people that are just hoping for a violent confrontation. He does, or used to be involved with combat pistol competition and has a 50 cal belt fed mg. Probably carries it around in the trunk of his car, just in case!

Goofy!......You not him!!

 

[Industrial Toys]

Are your sure about all those things you say about deer?

I was working in my shop one night and heard that unmistakable crash of automobile damage. Drove out to the (gravel country) road and found some guy in a pick-up truck stopped. He was just putting along, and some deer smashed into the side of his truck, doing some substantial damage. No deer to be found!

 

[BigCountry1689]

TOTAL opposite here.

A friend in PA is a "Sheriff", whatever that means and drives his own car and carries his own weapon! He is one of those people that are just hoping for a violent confrontation. He does, or used to be involved with combat pistol competition and has a 50 cal belt fed mg. Probably carries it around in the trunk of his car, just in case!

I have never heard of a Deputy or agency that condones the use of your private vehicle in the course of your duties. I know of some smaller municipal agencies that allow that because of budget restraints. We are constitutional officers with the authority to enforce constitutional felonies within the country, all felonies within our state, and anything from civil up to felony infractions within our county. We have the capability of stepping in on any investigation within our county that would be otherwise conducted by a city or other agency. The only other agencies above would be federal departments with regards to any federal violation. Generally speaking with most departments I have interacted with throughout the country over the years there are defined laws which constitute a deputy and how they must preform. In my state deputies wear green, a five point star, are cars are marked in a particular manner (excluding undercover), and of course there are a multitude of weapons we carry depending on the divisions we are apart of. Now these are of course generalities as there are some small departments that might preform out of the norm, most significant agencies have mirrored rules. While I could of course agree that we are not always the fastest, you must also understand that we are dispatched based on call severity. While at the time your incident may seem to be an emergency to you, we could be dealing with something more pressing. Not that I haven't caught a couple of my deputies sleeping from time to time

As for trespassing while hunting, while I completely understand the aggravation with trespassing and the disrespect that follows. Can you imagine if we arrested every hunter that was trespassing, then people would be screaming that we are wasting tax payer money on something frivolous. Most of the time when I am called to a trespassing call by the time I get there be it 5 min. or 30 min. the trespasser is gone. Because the land owner is screaming " I called the law, I called the Law." And of course they vacate and we arrive with nothing to do but stare at tire tracks.

 

[quicksandfarmer]

We would all be screwed if deer had guns. Unless we regulate the crap out of it. What weapons they can use, seasons, time of day to hunt, etc etc.

Then only the outlaw deer would have guns...