I have a triple axle belshe backhoe trailer. It has three 7k axles, 21k GVWR and Pintle hitch. No issues with it so far but haven't pulled it a lot. I would have preferred a tandem dual but I got a good deal on it.
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I'm not a weight **** and opposed to being overweight on occasion, but I'm also not banking on 25% tongue weight. 14 -4 for trailer weight equals 10 then maybe 10-15 percent tongue weight plus extra buckets, fuel tank, tree saw brush cutter etc. Of course I can get by with 8k axles, but the dilemma is 8k axles for $9,000 plus or tri 7's for $7,000. I want a tilt in the 20' range for quick loading and getting into farm drives that are tight for the long goosenecks. The other dilemma is 78" track widths on my machines.
wcampbell47
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Load Trail and PJ both make tilt bed gooseneck tandem axle single tire trailers with GVWR of 15,680. 7k axles with super heavy duty tires. I think they run 7 K. 80+ inches between the fenders.
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Here is a company that makes a 17,000gvwr 16' pintle trailer with 8k axles.
Heavy Duty Flatbed Trailer Manufacturer - F Series - Moritz Trailers
I also don't think you are quite looking at the math right. Many manufacturers play games with their trailer ratings. If you have dual 7k axles and a 14k trailer, you have to calculate the tongue weight as a percentage of the 14k, and then ADD it on. If you look at that moritz, they are already assuming atleast 1k on the tongue if you go with the 8k axles because they state it's a 17,000 GVWR trailer.
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I have a GN with 3- 7k dexter axles. I bought cheap. when I first got it I was eating up the back tires on it and found the rear slip hangers were worn and it caused the axle to run crooked. I fixed it and have had no issues since. I make extremely wide turns.
It is what the trailer is tagged at. If it's tagged at 14k then you subtract the weight of the trailer which is 4k so you can "legally" haul 10k is my understanding. Yes the 8k axles are tagged at 17k, but they are tagged at that. The 7k axles are tagged at 14k. Unless I'm missing something?
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I recently got a triaxle trailer. The tandom duals either lost the required 82" width (like stated you needed) or required a deck over which raised the bed such that it made other problems that I could not accept. I did not want the tri axle for all the reasons that people have about tire scrubbing but it was the only option I could identify that fit my requirement.
I don't yet have a lot of time on it as it is still new but as I was turning and backing in places that I expected to have issues I saw no significant tire scrub compared to what I expected. I can tell you it pulls like it is not there.
The GN (great northern)vs PJ is obviously a money and distance issue. The warrantee on the two is not comparable nor is the quality but you do pay great northern a premium price for a premium trailer. One of those reasons however is the things that are standard on GN that other manufacturers add on as options. Once the options are added the same configuration that is standard on GN the price is much closer. Of course if you did not want or need those then why pay for them. Different business models. PJ has a great dealer network and has more options to modify a trailer than you can imagine. If you want it they can build it in that specification. Me I would buy a GN any day over the PJ. There is no comparison on longevity of the frame and overall build quality.
I don't yet have a lot of time on it as it is still new but as I was turning and backing in places that I expected to have issues I saw no significant tire scrub compared to what I expected. I can tell you it pulls like it is not there.
The GN (great northern)vs PJ is obviously a money and distance issue. The warrantee on the two is not comparable nor is the quality but you do pay great northern a premium price for a premium trailer. One of those reasons however is the things that are standard on GN that other manufacturers add on as options. Once the options are added the same configuration that is standard on GN the price is much closer. Of course if you did not want or need those then why pay for them. Different business models. PJ has a great dealer network and has more options to modify a trailer than you can imagine. If you want it they can build it in that specification. Me I would buy a GN any day over the PJ. There is no comparison on longevity of the frame and overall build quality.
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Ok let's look at it this way. If you take 14k-4k to get a 10k payload, are the 7k axles actually carrying 7k? I say no, Unless you have 0lbs tongue weight which we all know is not a good situation to be in.
Still seems awful silly to buy a brand new trailer to max it out. 14,000 x .10 tongue weight is 1,400. 15% is 2100 Most say 10-15% tongue weight. so 11,400 or 12,100 for a machine that weighs 12k without any accessories.
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I have an old (77') 11 ton tri-axle. Never had a problem with it. About 15 years ago I bought it for $1k so I could move my backhoe around. At the time equipment haulers were hard to find and getting close to $100/hr starting from when they started their engine (before even hooking up to their trailer) to when they had the trailer unloaded and their engine off (usually estimated the time after the equipment was unloaded). That adds up quickly and since I had my Loadstar 1700 I bought the trailer. It has the axles that look like mobile home axles (but are not) and I haven't had any issues getting brake shoes for the trailer. I've never needed anything else. I did buy a couple mobile home tire/ wheels for spares just in case. Like others have said if you are turning hard it really puts a lot of side pressure on the tires. But the only tire issue I had was one that just like to leak at the bead very slowly. I would of been happy with a tandem but everyone I found was 5x the cost that could hold the weight. It's a deck-over but it's built like a tank. It has two 8" I-beams for the main structure. I couldn't answer if regular trailer tires would handle the side scuffing like the mobile home style tires. The mobile home style tires have extra thick rubber on the outside edges, several inches think, and don't have a flat profile on the tread.
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is this a one time thing? or planning to trailer mini ex a lot? if just a one time thing or a rare every few years... higher it out to haul it? cost of trailer, plus up keep, plus insurance, plus other... vs a couple hundred bucks each time you need to haul it...
looking at your signature of all your units, some skid steers, to ag size tractors. your ford 9700 = heaviest tractor / unit you have listed in signature. TractorData.com Ford 9700 tractor information
purely guessing you most likely getting or already to the point of having a semi truck / 18 wheeler. in the mix of vehicles. guessing some sort of grain trailer or some sort of dump trailer. so i am wondering about a trailer for the semi? cost a little more but? *shrugs*
the company that delivered the ford 555c TLB TractorData.com Ford 555 backhoe-loader tractor information weighs near 14K same as your ford 9700 and mini ex you looking to haul. used something like below diagram. little extra work to load / unload. but offered a very low load up point and kept everything low while on the road. to gain those few extra inches of height for what ever you are hauling (to get under bridges) i would imagine costs a bit more... but if you are hauling equipment for say landscape business or perhaps lake /pond building business... it might give you a few more options.
once you get equipment to site, it is not like you will be driving trailer all over rough ground while equipment is on the trailer? more likely once you get to site you will be unloading on flat level ground. and then driving the various equipment all over the place on un-even ground.... assuming even if it means unloading equipment on the road itself. using some road cones / markers. to unload stuff. due to site does not offer a good place to unload equipment.
looking at your signature of all your units, some skid steers, to ag size tractors. your ford 9700 = heaviest tractor / unit you have listed in signature. TractorData.com Ford 9700 tractor information
purely guessing you most likely getting or already to the point of having a semi truck / 18 wheeler. in the mix of vehicles. guessing some sort of grain trailer or some sort of dump trailer. so i am wondering about a trailer for the semi? cost a little more but? *shrugs*
the company that delivered the ford 555c TLB TractorData.com Ford 555 backhoe-loader tractor information weighs near 14K same as your ford 9700 and mini ex you looking to haul. used something like below diagram. little extra work to load / unload. but offered a very low load up point and kept everything low while on the road. to gain those few extra inches of height for what ever you are hauling (to get under bridges) i would imagine costs a bit more... but if you are hauling equipment for say landscape business or perhaps lake /pond building business... it might give you a few more options.
once you get equipment to site, it is not like you will be driving trailer all over rough ground while equipment is on the trailer? more likely once you get to site you will be unloading on flat level ground. and then driving the various equipment all over the place on un-even ground.... assuming even if it means unloading equipment on the road itself. using some road cones / markers. to unload stuff. due to site does not offer a good place to unload equipment.
I have 24k goosenecks now that will do it easily. I want a compact shorter lower trailer for quick trips from farm to farm that are able to turn into smaller drives on narrow roads. Hauling the mini from one farm to another or hauling the track loader real quick to different fields to do work in. It would be great to pull the track loader up on a tilt trailer to run it down the road without chaining to gather bales and load inlines quickly.
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I agree! I wouldn't want a trailer that was maxed out for my load.l but there is some more capacity that you weren't taking into account. But with 8k axles you wouldn't be as close to the edge.
I guess I would have been more helpful if I would have had a triaxle trailer.....
fordmantpw
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Reading some of the comments, along with the bolded section, leads me to believe that a triple axle would not be your best bet. I'm no expert, just putting 2 and 2 together.
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quick load / unload....
instead of a double drop trailer...
what about dolley setup. drive up to a set of wheels put bucket down to raise front / back of tracks off ground. and then kinda lean over on to the set of wheels. kinda like driving over a set of log mats when digging in muddy areas / lakes / ponds. but for trailering a track unit.
once above wheels are chain down around the tracks on one end. ya kinda drive it over to pull vehicle. and load up other end of unit.
sorry about being vague... only seen them in pictures. i know "CAT" or rather Caterpillar has them for a good amount of there track units. they basically remove the "frame work" between connection point of pull vehicle and tires on trailer. and just use the units own frame as a frame for trailer. and just use the units own hydraulics to lift / maneuver things. most likely you might find option for a "rail road wheel option" with the dolly or what ever they are called option.
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there are some custom / more specialized trailers.... for excavators... that have no decks per say. just frame work. exception a handful of metal plates. were tracks and buckets set down. cost reduced due to not needing deck. and more for quick deployment doing and overall shorter trailer within reason.
some wheels set in side the tracks, some wheels set on the outside of the track, and some are more of a deck over setup type of wheels.
most of the trailers i remember seeing are more of a T shape. were middle of track unit (weight wise) sets across top of the T were the tires are. and then the long tongue that goes to pull vehicle and were bucket rests on as well. basically allowing you to walk right up to the track unit on the trailer. without having to bend over or tossing chains / straps or get up on a deck. with tie does right there. no goofing around trying to run chains here or there and every were. no real need to mess with any sort of longer ramps / tilt deck.
*rubs chin* waiting for rain to stop so i can get internet back...
a boat trailer in essence = looks more like a specialized excavator trailer.
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i didn't really look up the skid steers you have (assuming you are calling them track loaders) they do make more specialized skid steer trailers. short length. not much of a deck. more of couple strips of metal to run the unit up on to. no wood per say on the trailers more or less pure metal. and no real complete deck on them. and the tongue going to pull vehicle more setup to handle, placing the bucket on the tongue itself.
instead of a double drop trailer...
what about dolley setup. drive up to a set of wheels put bucket down to raise front / back of tracks off ground. and then kinda lean over on to the set of wheels. kinda like driving over a set of log mats when digging in muddy areas / lakes / ponds. but for trailering a track unit.
once above wheels are chain down around the tracks on one end. ya kinda drive it over to pull vehicle. and load up other end of unit.
sorry about being vague... only seen them in pictures. i know "CAT" or rather Caterpillar has them for a good amount of there track units. they basically remove the "frame work" between connection point of pull vehicle and tires on trailer. and just use the units own frame as a frame for trailer. and just use the units own hydraulics to lift / maneuver things. most likely you might find option for a "rail road wheel option" with the dolly or what ever they are called option.
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there are some custom / more specialized trailers.... for excavators... that have no decks per say. just frame work. exception a handful of metal plates. were tracks and buckets set down. cost reduced due to not needing deck. and more for quick deployment doing and overall shorter trailer within reason.
some wheels set in side the tracks, some wheels set on the outside of the track, and some are more of a deck over setup type of wheels.
most of the trailers i remember seeing are more of a T shape. were middle of track unit (weight wise) sets across top of the T were the tires are. and then the long tongue that goes to pull vehicle and were bucket rests on as well. basically allowing you to walk right up to the track unit on the trailer. without having to bend over or tossing chains / straps or get up on a deck. with tie does right there. no goofing around trying to run chains here or there and every were. no real need to mess with any sort of longer ramps / tilt deck.
*rubs chin* waiting for rain to stop so i can get internet back...
a boat trailer in essence = looks more like a specialized excavator trailer.
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i didn't really look up the skid steers you have (assuming you are calling them track loaders) they do make more specialized skid steer trailers. short length. not much of a deck. more of couple strips of metal to run the unit up on to. no wood per say on the trailers more or less pure metal. and no real complete deck on them. and the tongue going to pull vehicle more setup to handle, placing the bucket on the tongue itself.
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What is the issue with a deck over trailer? Seeing no one come up with a low cost, light weight lift axle setup to make a tri-axle trailer "acceptable" in a tight squeeze, somewhere along the line you are going to have to compromise?
FWIW, in my humble opinion, depending on tongue weight as some have suggested, to haul heavier is compromising the safety of others but to each there own just don't take out one of me or mine.
FWIW, in my humble opinion, depending on tongue weight as some have suggested, to haul heavier is compromising the safety of others but to each there own just don't take out one of me or mine.
Even the low pro deckovers set high plus the ones I have are all 32-40'. Hauling 10 to 12,000 pound machines with air bags and 3500 and 450 dually trucks is hardly overloaded.
Some of the farms are spread out so loading on a tilt is quick and easy. Say one farm is a mile away it's easy to hop on a tilt and run it down than to load and chain on a deckover. Some of the drives are tight for a long trailer.
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