Dusty
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gemini5362
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See just goes to show you that what I and others have said in other posts is 100 per cent true. Different States have different laws. In the sections of Arkansas that have building codes ( read that as cities) The only way you can get a permit to do electrical wireing is to take an electrical test. From what I have been told that test comes right from pertinent sections of the NEC. So unless you know code and can do it right you cannot get a permit to do the work. One of the other issues I have mentioned is insurance. Does your insurance company know that a non licensed electrician wired your house.
JimR
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gemini5362 said:
As long as the wiring is inspected and signed off by the inspector, I would think it would be discriminatory for the insurance company to reject you for insurance coverage. Inspectors do check wire gauge, breaker size, GFI's and connections. At least mine did.
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JimR
I think if you have never had a wreck and have a good driving record that it should be discrimanatory to make you pay more for insurance if your credit score is lower than someone elses. The insurance company does that though. I dont believe that inspectors check every connection do they not do a spot check? Whether it is fair or not that is what I have had some people have problems with when they did their own wireing. They had to have a licensed electrician come and inspect the wireing and then sign that he had inspected it. Another problem I could see with inspectors checking it and okaying it, is that most inspectors work for some type of government ( city, county, state). In arkansas and I believe some other states you cannot sue the goverment for most things. If your house burned down from a wireing problem and the inspector okayed the wiring you could not sue the city in arkansas. However if a licensed electrician signed off on it. The insurance company could sue the electrician.
I think if you have never had a wreck and have a good driving record that it should be discrimanatory to make you pay more for insurance if your credit score is lower than someone elses. The insurance company does that though. I dont believe that inspectors check every connection do they not do a spot check? Whether it is fair or not that is what I have had some people have problems with when they did their own wireing. They had to have a licensed electrician come and inspect the wireing and then sign that he had inspected it. Another problem I could see with inspectors checking it and okaying it, is that most inspectors work for some type of government ( city, county, state). In arkansas and I believe some other states you cannot sue the goverment for most things. If your house burned down from a wireing problem and the inspector okayed the wiring you could not sue the city in arkansas. However if a licensed electrician signed off on it. The insurance company could sue the electrician.
JimR
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gemini5362 said:
Both my wife and I have a great driving records. It seems people like to hit us more than we do them, to the tone of five times in the last 8 years, three times in one year with one vehicle. But let's get back to the electrical issue. The inspector that checked my wiring works for the town. He is also a licensed electrician. He did a rough inspection and checked all the wiring and boxes prior to the sheetrock going up. Not just a spot inspection as you indicate. Maybe in your state they do that. After the plastering is done and the boxes installed he inpected it again. Ths time pulling plates to see how it was wired. He was surprised to see that I had actually used the side screws instead of just plugging the wires into the back of the sockets. He also tested all the GFI's. If my house burned down I would collect my money. My house was signed off on the permit by a qualified inspector. As far as lawsuits are concerned. That is another whole ballgame for the big shots to handle. I could care less about who sues who for what. My paperwork is all in order.
gemini5362
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As your thread indicates you did the wireing correct and the inspector did the inspection correctly. I am of the opinion it is not always done that way. I would never dream of trying to say how it is done in states other than the ones I have lived in and had experience with those laws. I do know that in my state if you do not have a licensed electrician sign off on the electrical wireing and the insurance company should somehow find out about it then they can and most times do cancel your insurance. Now in your circumstances i dont see where what happened with your inspector was any different than what I said. Your inspector was a licensed electrician and he signed off on it. I am not sure In arkansas you have to be a licensed electrician to be the inspector. As a matter of fact I was talking to someone about this thread and they informed me that Arkansas passed a law two years ago that you cannot wire a house at all unless you are a licensed electrician. Now before someone points out that it does not matter if they dont catch you I am in complete agreement with that. I will continue to wire my house and have my buddy sign off on it as far as insurance goes.
But I do have a question for you that I hope others will answer also.
How many people do you know that think when you splice two electrical wires together with wire nuts all you have to do is hold the wires inside the wirenut and then just tighten the wire nut itself ?
But I do have a question for you that I hope others will answer also.
How many people do you know that think when you splice two electrical wires together with wire nuts all you have to do is hold the wires inside the wirenut and then just tighten the wire nut itself ?
5030tinkerer
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Okay, I'll bite. What are you *supposed* to do other than hold both wires together and tighten the wirenut? I've always pre-twisted the wires with linemans pliers and lightly tugged each wire that was supposed to be held by the wirenut after assembly, but that's about it.
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JimR
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gemini5362 said:
I twist the wires and then put the nut on. I don't see how you could have an electrical inspector that wasn't or is not presently a licensed electrician. Wouldn't that be like having a funeral director giving you a car inspection.
CurlyDave
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I twist the wires and then put the nut on. I don't see how you could have an electrical inspector that wasn't or is not presently a licensed electrician. Wouldn't that be like having a funeral director giving you a car inspection.
Out on the left coast almost all of the building inspectors are former general contractors, who could not make it in that business.
This does not mean they do not know the codes, and most are more knowledgable than any tradesman.
Being a successful general contractor involves being a businessman first and a builder second. Some of the ones who are good builders, but not so good businessmen, become building inspectors.
Out on the left coast almost all of the building inspectors are former general contractors, who could not make it in that business.
This does not mean they do not know the codes, and most are more knowledgable than any tradesman.
Being a successful general contractor involves being a businessman first and a builder second. Some of the ones who are good builders, but not so good businessmen, become building inspectors.