Trying to construct a 3rd function

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I may have just gotten a better option. I was poking around the baileys hydraulic website the other day and found this.

Shopping

Doesnt include the hoses and a couple fittings but does include the main components, so at $490 I was tempted but held off. Now I just got a code for 15% off my first order, so that same setup is $417 shipped. What do you guys think?
 
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Is that what you have? If so how do you like it?
 
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I may have just gotten a better option. I was poking around the baileys hydraulic website the other day and found this.

Shopping

Doesnt include the hoses and a couple fittings but does include the main components, so at $490 I was tempted but held off. Now I just got a code for 15% off my first order, so that same setup is $417 shipped. What do you guys think?

Solenoid - $120.80 Free S/H from Freemont Industrial Supply.
D03 Subplate $35.95 + S/H from Surplus Center
Control Grip - John Deer - $84.80 + S/H from greenfarmparts.com
Generic Automotive relays (Pack of 6 w/ wiring pigtails) $11 Amazon.com
1/2" Flat Face Couplers - $38.95 + S/H from Surplus Center

Grand total $291.50 + the various S/H

That means the mounting plate & wiring harness should be worth $125 to equal your discounted price of $417 for this kit and either way you still need hoses & fittings and most likely at least 2 more sets of couplers depending on where / how you mount the valve & how your loader detaches.

The bottom line is you can almost always build a better set-up than you get with any kit. The extra cost of the kit is the "convenience fee" of not having to shop around and source & match all the components yourself. Your time is worth something but only you can put the right value on it.

It's like I tell my dad, every job will "cost" you two things - Time & Money. The more of one you have to spend, the less you need of the other.
 
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Solenoid - $120.80 Free S/H from Freemont Industrial Supply.
D03 Subplate $35.95 + S/H from Surplus Center
Control Grip - John Deer - $84.80 + S/H from greenfarmparts.com
Generic Automotive relays (Pack of 6 w/ wiring pigtails) $11 Amazon.com
1/2" Flat Face Couplers - $38.95 + S/H from Surplus Center

Grand total $291.50 + the various S/H

That means the mounting plate & wiring harness should be worth $125 to equal your discounted price of $417 for this kit and either way you still need hoses & fittings and most likely at least 2 more sets of couplers depending on where / how you mount the valve & how your loader detaches.

The bottom line is you can almost always build a better set-up than you get with any kit. The extra cost of the kit is the "convenience fee" of not having to shop around and source & match all the components yourself. Your time is worth something but only you can put the right value on it.

It's like I tell my dad, every job will "cost" you two things - Time & Money. The more of one you have to spend, the less you need of the other.


I have been bouncing around these options for over a week. So I used what I have learned thus far and tried to come up with a good cost comparison, let me know if you think this sounds about right.

I went into surplus center and put together what I believe to be a complete kit with valve, subplate, all hose fittings, hoses, and flat face couplers. The total with shipping comes to $318.96. I have a good idea of where I want to mount everything so measured some hoses and added a ft to each for pricing purposes, the total is as close an estimate as I can come up with.

The only thing missing is the electrical wiring and a switch like a scorpion, WR long, or suregrips. From what I have gathered on those they are in the $100-$125 range, but also looking at the cheaper atv swith in the $20-$25 range. I have also looked at the John Deere grip above and would go that route if my loader handle was beside the seat instead of beside the steering wheel.

Looks like the total for a complete custom type setup is in the $420-$450 range. Adding those same fittings, hoses, and flat face couplers at a total of $140 w/shipping to the Idaho Implement setup at $458 w/shipping comes to a total of $598 shipping included.

At first I was looking at the kit from Bailey's but after several days from sending 2 emails with questions and no answer yet Im not real hopeful on going with them. I then looked more at the construction attachments kit, send 2 emails and within a day or so received a response both times which is a good sign to me for help if I need it. If I can get the wiring aspect nailed down then the custom kit it is and pocket the $150-$180, and if not then even at about $600 the CA Attachments is still cheaper than other options I have ran across.
 
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I think you are on the right track & well on your way to doing this yourself. Honestly you've already done most of the hard work.

I have a good idea of where I want to mount everything
That is the hardest part. Some of these partial kits (without hoses) still leave you to figure this out yourself so you save nothing buying those vs buying the components yourself other than the time to source them all out - which you have already done.

I went into surplus center and put together what I believe to be a complete kit with valve, subplate, all hose fittings, hoses, and flat face couplers. The total with shipping comes to $318.96. ... the total is as close an estimate as I can come up with.
I originally went to school to be an engineer so stuff makes more sense to me when I can draw it or list it out rather than just trying to see it in my head so I threw together a quick n dirty spread sheet for you listing the basic components - you'll have to fill in the specifics like what size fittings & hoses, thread callouts, etc but it's a component by component list of all the parts you should need.

Almost all your quick couplers have NPT threads so it's up to you to decide if you want NPT ends on the hoses they connect to or if you want JIC ends and JIC to NPT adapters but I will say that (with the exception of my loader arm hoses that have QC's on both ends) I wish I had gone with JIC everywhere in my project. It would have made some things a lot easier and in some cases cheaper too.

If I can get the wiring aspect nailed down then the custom kit it is ...
It's actually not as bad as you think. (I know one of my favorite sayings is "Brain Surgery is easy when you know how to do it")

The solenoid will have 3 terminals - Function A Positive. Function B Positive, and Ground

The control switch should have 3 wires - Positive In (Center of switch), Button A out, and Button B out.

From your power source (Battery, fuse box, whatever) go to the center of the switch,
then A out on switch goes to Function A on solenoid,
B out on switch goes to Function B on solenoid,
then Ground the Solenoid to the chassis.
Done.

Be sure to add fusing if you're not using an already protected circuit, and another idea I liked that I "borrowed" from another members build, is adding a simple toggle switch in the power circuit before the control switch so I could turn off the 3rd function. This is an extra safety so I don't accidentally activate the solenoid when nothing is attached and dead head the hydraulics. An idiot switch if you will.

When you take it bit by bit, it really is a pretty simple project and you should be able to do it just fine.

Besides - you have tons of help & resources here if you get stuck.
 
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Thank you for the help N2D, I have been reading your post and you explained everything I should need to get this done! The checklist was very nice I am making sure I get it correct before ordering.

I have looked online and seen a few others like snowback and slharmin1 with the same tractor installing their solenoids and I cant seem to find a better place than on the right side of the loader bracket just like they did. I would love to mount it under the seat like you did but I dont have an area like that in mine.

See post #2

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/mahindra-owning-operating/380599-3rd-function-grapple-2538-a.html

I was looking to use a piggyback fuse to add the 12v power so that should take care of the fuse part.

Add A Circuit Fuse ATO ATC Tap Piggy Back Standard Blade Fuse Holder, ATO ATC Fuse Tap (Add-a-fuse): Electrical Fuse Holders: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

Just found this switch......looks interesting.

POLARIS - SHIFT LEVER WINCH SWITCH 2877874 | eBay
 
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