Trying to construct a 3rd function

   / Trying to construct a 3rd function #21  
I used one of these ; Shopping
Hoses locally, fittings and disconnects from ebay. Tractor came from factory with button on FEL handle and wire ran through shaft.
Simple and cheap install.
 
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#23  
Here is what I have for parts so far.

1/2" npt plat face couplers $38.95

1/2" NPT FLUSH FACE QUICK COUPLER SET ISO 1628 | Quick Coupler Pairs | Hydraulic Quick Couplers | Hydraulics | www.surpluscenter.com

1/2 npt x 3/8 npt hex nipple $1.75 ea(2) $3.50

1/2 NPT x 3/8 NPT HEX NIPPLE | NPT Male to NPT Male - Hex Nipple | NPT to NPT | Hydraulic Adapters & Fittings | Hydraulics | www.surpluscenter.com

JIC 6m x 3/8 nptf bulkhead $2.40 ea(2) $4.80

JIC 6M x 3/8 NPTF BULKHEAD CONNECTOR | JIC Male to NPT Female Straight Bulkhead | JIC to NPT | Hydraulic Adapters & Fittings | Hydraulics | www.surpluscenter.com

JIC 6 bulkhead lock nut $0.45 ea(2) $0.90

JIC 6 BULKHEAD LOCK NUT | JIC Bulkhead Lock Nuts | JIC to JIC | Hydraulic Adapters & Fittings | Hydraulics | www.surpluscenter.com

3/8 x 108 JIC 6F swivel x JIC 6f swivel SAE 100R16 hose $24.95 ea(2) $49.90

3/8" X 18" JIC 6F Swivel X JIC 6F Swivel SAE 1R16 HYDRAULIC HOSE ASSEMBLY 5 PSI | Hydraulic Hose Assemblies | Hydraulic Hose and Hose Assemblies | Hydraulics | www.surpluscenter.com

JIC 6m x SAE 6m Swivel 90 elbow $2.20 ea(2) $4.40

http://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydrau...IC-6M-x-SAE-6M-Swivel-90-Elbow-9-6801-6-6.axd

1 station DO3 subaplte open center $35.95

http://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydrau...STATION-DO3-SUBPLATE-OPEN-CENTER-9-5883-1.axd

12 VDC 10 GPM OC solenoid valve $128.15

http://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydrau...12-VDC-10-GPM-OC-DA-SOLENOID-VALVE-9-6136.axd

Hirschmann Connector $4.80 ea(2) $9.60

http://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydrau...-Accessories/HIRSCHMANN-CONNECTOR-11-2457.axd

12 VDC winch motor control pendant $19.95ea (2) $39.90 (at this price I wanted a spare)

http://www.surpluscenter.com/Electr...2-VDC-WINCH-MOTOR-CONTROL-PENDANT-11-3492.axd

Thats the parts for the added valve section, in the basic order from the grapple back. This is to connect power beyond from the loader valve to the DO3 subplate.

1/2" NPT female swivel $2.50

http://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydrau...el-Union/1-2-NPT-Female-Swivel-9-1405-8-8.axd

1/2" x 36" 1/2 nptmx 1/2 nptm SAE 100R16 hose $11.95

http://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydrau...Hydraulic-Hose-Assembly-4000-PSI-917-2236.axd

SAE 6M x 1/2 NPTF adapter $2.85ea

http://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydrau...ight/SAE-6M-x-1-2-NPTF-Adapter-9-6405-6-8.axd

This connects the return line to the tank to the DO3 subplate.

SAE 6M x 1/2" nptm connector $1.80ea

http://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydrau...ht/SAE-6M-x-1-2-NPTM-CONNECTOR-9-6401-6-8.axd

This comes to $335.15, with shipping is $363.04. I wanted to post this to make sure I was on the right track and try and help someone else in the same boat. This forum has been a HUGE help to me and I wanted to try and return the favor. Only thing I may change to my knowledge is the hose lengths once I pick up my grapple tomorrow from my tractor dealer and check my measurements. All depends on if that switch I found will work.
 
   / Trying to construct a 3rd function #24  
I went with this valve and the same do3 sub plate your looking at
12 VDC 21 GPM ARGO RPE3-6 DA HYDRAULIC DO3 SOLENOID VALVE | Solenoid Valves | Hydraulic Valves | Hydraulics | www.surpluscenter.com
Only reason was it was able to handle a much larger flow and pigtails instead of a bulky connectors. I have been very happy with it for the past 6months, its a very good quality valve made in Europe. I also opened up the ports in my sub plate I wanted as little restriction as I could get since my power beyond circuit also runs my backhoe when I have it mounted and if there is a lot of restriction it will create much more heat.
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I went with this valve and the same do3 sub plate your looking at
12 VDC 21 GPM ARGO RPE3-6 DA HYDRAULIC DO3 SOLENOID VALVE | Solenoid Valves | Hydraulic Valves | Hydraulics | www.surpluscenter.com
Only reason was it was able to handle a much larger flow and pigtails instead of a bulky connectors. I have been very happy with it for the past 6months, its a very good quality valve made in Europe. I also opened up the ports in my sub plate I wanted as little restriction as I could get since my power beyond circuit also runs my backhoe when I have it mounted and if there is a lot of restriction it will create much more heat.
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I looked at the same valve and liked it for the cleaner wiring just like you did. I was skeptical since I hadn't heard of them. One question on solenoid valves in general. Can the valve be mounted on the subplate so it aligns with either the work ports or the through ports? Or can it only be mounted one direction?
 
   / Trying to construct a 3rd function #26  
One question on solenoid valves in general. Can the valve be mounted on the subplate so it aligns with either the work ports or the through ports? Or can it only be mounted one direction?

To be perfectly correct they can only be mounted in one orientation (the pesky engineer thing again). That is to say only in one direction (like North-South vs East-West) and only one way in that direction.
There is a small pin on the bottom of the valve that sits into a hole on the subplate & the bolt mounting pattern is rectangular to prevent you from mounting it any way but one.

Another thing to point out, if you look at the pictures from Snowback that you linked earlier, he's using the W.R. Long kit and their subplate has ports on only two sides NOT one port per side like the subplate you have selected.
There's nothing inherently bad or wrong with what you have, I just wanted to make sure you noticed that not all subplates are created equal so to speak and that you are going to have to account for that with your mounting position and hose routing. Trying to eliminate the gotchas. ;)

As best I can tell W.R. Long is either making their own subplate or having it made just for them because I couldn't find anything like theirs after a couple good weeks of internet searches.

I did finally find one from Magnaloy that has ports on two sides but their design appears to be thicker (taller) that W.R. Long's and it's probably double the cost of the one you're looking at right now. That extra $$ buys a lot of 90 degree fittings LOL

Here's a link to a W.R. Long kit on a Kioti DK45 where they mounted the valve on the rear of the tractor (I never really liked that placement either but it's another good view of the valve & subplate and the port orientation)

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kioti-owning-operating/331759-3rd-function-install-summary-dk40se.html


Oh and my one single best bit of advice - no matter how much help you get nor how much homework you do, something will still go wrong, you'll find something you could have done different / better after you're done.
Just take a deep breath and roll with it - it comes with building your own system.
 
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Found one possible hiccup. I was looking at the loader manual and lists a pt1/2 for the fittings, after a quick google it brings up a bspp thread and not the npt thread I thought it was. Does anyone know what size the thread and hose size is on the power beyond of a 2538? Just want to make sure I didnt screw up.......yet.
 
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#28  
Still trying to figure out the switch part of the puzzle. It was suggested to use an atv winch switch but cant find one that Im sure will work. I have googled and read what I can but they all seem the same to me. I found one that would be easy to mount and use but I was told it would not work, so here I am asking what to get. They all seem to work just fine with a winch but not a 3 position hydraulic valve. Could someone please point me to what I need to buy? Can they be wired direct or is the relay needed to make it work like I need for a 3rd function? Thank you in advance.
 
   / Trying to construct a 3rd function #29  
I used a standard a tv winch switch because they are waterproof. For the grapple, up position opens grapple, drown position closed. I also used to work a diverter valve on the rear...i bussed both wires together for it.

They work great for me and cheap.
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#30  
I used a standard a tv winch switch because they are waterproof. For the grapple, up position opens grapple, drown position closed. I also used to work a diverter valve on the rear...i bussed both wires together for it.

They work great for me and cheap.
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Sounds good to me, thank you for the information. I like they way it mounts to the loader control. Get one like this?

12V Winch Rocker Thumb Switch w/ Mounting Bracket - Handle Bar Control Switch | eBay

Or do I need the whole package?

Contactor & Winch Rocker COMBO 12V Solenoid Relay Thumb Switch For ATV UTV New

Wish this one would work because of the way it would mount similar to the standard wr long handles used.

12 VDC WINCH MOTOR CONTROL PENDANT | Power Transfer Switches | Switches | Electrical | www.surpluscenter.com
 
 

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