TYM T754 for Round Baling?

[Iowa Hillbilly]

Does anyone use a TYM T754 for round baling? I'm looking at picking up one for a lot of tasks, but the deal maker or breaker for me is probably round baling. I've currently got a Vermeer 604K 1000rpm baler, and TYM shows the T754 as having an optional 540/1000 pto on their website. I'm on hilly ground and I don't know if the T754 is enough tractor weight wise. If I get the tractor I would have it ballasted.

I don't really want a machine that needs DEF, and older larger pre-emissions tractors are holding a real premium on the used market. I could potentially sell the 604 baler and go to something like a 504, but I kinda want to have an idea of what I might be getting into before pulling the trigger. The T754 looks to me like a good value, if it delivers as advertised.

All opinions welcome.

 

[K5lwq]

Running on 1000RPM I am afraid you will not be happy with this combo especially on hills. On flat ground I would think a minimum of 90hp for a baler like yours. But I have no experience with Vermeer baler.

 

[Hay Dude]

whats your tractor weigh ballasted?

 

[Iowa Hillbilly]

whats your tractor weigh ballasted?

I'd guesstimate about 16000lbs, but I haven't put it on scales.

 

[Hay Dude]

Your tractor weighs 16,000lbs?
Kind of doubtful on that, friend.
With cab & no ballast says 5800lbs. Or you have 10,000lbs ballast

TractorData.com TYM T754 tractor dimensions information

www.tractordata.com

I’d suggest on old tractor that weighs at least 8,000lbs or more if on hills. A full round baler will push you, the tractor straight down the hill if it’s steep or slippery enough

 

[Iowa Hillbilly]

Your tractor weighs 16,000lbs?
Kind of doubtful on that, friend.
With cab & no ballast says 5800lbs. Or you have 10,000lbs ballast

TractorData.com TYM T754 tractor dimensions information

www.tractordata.com

I’d suggest on old tractor that weighs at least 8,000lbs or more if on hills. A full round baler will push you, the tractor straight down the hill if it’s steep or slippery enough

I don't have the T754, I'm looking at it. My Case 2590 is what I'm guesstimating at 16000lbs.

 

[tacticalturnip]

I don't have the T754, I'm looking at it. My Case 2590 is what I'm guesstimating at 16000lbs.

15,740 lbs according to Tractor Data, excellent guess!

 

[Hay Dude]

Does anyone use a TYM T754 for round baling? I'm looking at picking up one for a lot of tasks, but the deal maker or breaker for me is probably round baling. I've currently got a Vermeer 604K 1000rpm baler, and TYM shows the T754 as having an optional 540/1000 pto on their website. I'm on hilly ground and I don't know if the T754 is enough tractor weight wise. If I get the tractor I would have it ballasted.

I don't really want a machine that needs DEF, and older larger pre-emissions tractors are holding a real premium on the used market. I could potentially sell the 604 baler and go to something like a 504, but I kinda want to have an idea of what I might be getting into before pulling the trigger. The T754 looks to me like a good value, if it delivers as advertised.

All opinions welcome.

OK, Here I was thinking you are considering baling with the T754.
My bad.

 

[Iowa Hillbilly]

OK, Here I was thinking you are considering baling with the T754.
My bad.

No, you're right, I am thinking about baling with a T754. I'd like to move the 2590 off to a new home. I'm just worried about the T754 being too small.

Vermeer specs for the 604 Classic baler 60 pto hp minimum and 80 hp recommended. For the 504 Classic they claim 40hp minimum and 50 recommended. The T754 has 64hp at the pto so on paper it should work.

I just don't want to go out and buy a new tractor and maybe a different baler and then find out that combo ain't gonna cut it on a slope. It would be a lot of headache and expense for nothing.

 

[K5lwq]

I do not believe you will see 64HP running 1000rpm PTO speed.

 

[Iowa Hillbilly]

I do not believe you will see 64HP running 1000rpm PTO speed.

It's not overly common, but it is out there. Tym lists 540/1000 as an option for the T754 and LS has it as standard for their MT573CPS which is almost the same size. I know some of the older CIH tractors in that size range had it too.

 

[K5lwq]

I understand it has 1000 RPM PTO. But I believe it will have less power at this speed. I am afraid it will not perform well on this baler. Maybe I am mistaken but torque will be much lower.

 

[ericm979]

I understand it has 1000 RPM PTO. But I believe it will have less power at this speed. I am afraid it will not perform well on this baler. Maybe I am mistaken but torque will be much lower.

Isn't a 1000 rpm PTO gear one that has the engine turning at PTO rpm when the PTO is turning 1000 rpm, like you'd use for a 1000rpm implement?

On my Branson the 750 rpm PTO gear would be turning 750 when the engine is running at 2500, which is the same engine rpm that gets me 540 rpm when the PTO is in the 540 gear. When I use the 750 rpm PTO gear with a 540 implement I have to run the engine at 1800 so I don't over speed the implement.

 

[K5lwq]

Isn't a 1000 rpm PTO gear one that has the engine turning at PTO rpm when the PTO is turning 1000 rpm, like you'd use for a 1000rpm implement?

On my Branson the 750 rpm PTO gear would be turning 750 when the engine is running at 2500, which is the same engine rpm that gets me 540 rpm when the PTO is in the 540 gear. When I use the 750 rpm PTO gear with a 540 implement I have to run the engine at 1800 so I don't over speed the implement.

Yes this is correct. The baler the OP has requires 1000 PTO speed. It is like climbing a hill in high gear. Takes more power to maintain speed. This is why I think the T754 will struggle with this baler. If he wants to run this baler I suggest more HP.

 

[TractorTYMe]

The T754 doesn't have DEF, it uses a Deutz engine that does passive regen.

 

[Hay Dude]

It aint the power, it’s the weight. I used to RB with an M7040 with filled rear tires. The PTO power was fine, but the baler with a full bale could get sideways on hills if not careful. Flat was fine, small hills fine.
You can always gear-down if short on power.

 

[K5lwq]

It aint the power, it’s the weight. I used to RB with an M7040 with filled rear tires. The PTO power was fine, but the baler with a full bale could get sideways on hills if not careful. Flat was fine, small hills fine.
You can always gear-down if short on power.

At 1000 PTO speed or 540? But I agree with the weight thing for sure.

 

[Iowa Hillbilly]

It aint the power, it’s the weight. I used to RB with an M7040 with filled rear tires. The PTO power was fine, but the baler with a full bale could get sideways on hills if not careful. Flat was fine, small hills fine.
You can always gear-down if short on power.

Ballasted I'm expecting the T754 to be around 8300lbs, maybe more with some cast wheel weights added. Do you think that is enough? I'm kinda thinking it would be marginal, but I don't have enough experience with that size of tractor to say with any certainty and I've never pulled a 5x4 baler to know just what that would feel like behind a tractor.

 

[Hay Dude]

I’d have to see your hills. Flat, not a problem. Hills compound the problem a lot. There are strategies with light tractors on hills. Make sure baler chamber is not full, using 4WD & locking diffs, not baling when grass/ground is wet, etc.

 

[5030]

Interesting thread. I don't run any ballast (loaded tires) in my M9 cab and I've pulled a NH 450 Roll Belt net bailer 4x5 which I've sold and now have a Kubota BV European style totally enclosed 4x5 round bailer. Never an issue with either, heck, I cannot tell the difference between a fully loaded bailer and one with no round in it. I much prefer the Kubota BV over the NH actually. Much more adjustable for density and like a Klass, it runs a soft center easy to spear bale and the computer controls are also much more advanced, plus it's light years easier to thread the net in.