ULSD and Power Service - question

[DrewL]

my bad............I meant winner. My point is, plenty of honest disscussion with no conclusion I can see. I'm going to use the additive though

 

[rback33]

my bad............I meant winner. My point is, plenty of honest disscussion with no conclusion I can see. I'm going to use the additive though

Makes two of us....

 

[DieselPower]

Makes two of us....

Ditto, I'll third that.

In fact I even use additive in my furnace fuel oil. Got a new furnace installed last year and it is still under a service contract. Guy came out about 2 month's ago to do the winter furnace cleaning and adjustment and was amazed how clean the fuel nozzle and fire box were. Said it was the cleanest he as ever seen and that he has been a furnace tech for almost 20 years. So it works in my furnace to and will continue to use it.

 

[HGM]

Ditto, I'll third that.

In fact I even use additive in my furnace fuel oil. Got a new furnace installed last year and it is still under a service contract. Guy came out about 2 month's ago to do the winter furnace cleaning and adjustment and was amazed how clean the fuel nozzle and fire box were. Said it was the cleanest he as ever seen and that he has been a furnace tech for almost 20 years. So it works in my furnace to and will continue to use it.

No doubt in my mind.... I have seen first hand what a cetane booster can do for carbon build-up in an EGR system... It's got to work elsewhere too....

 

[KICK]

my bad............I meant winner. My point is, plenty of honest disscussion with no conclusion I can see.

never will reach a verifiable conclusion in reference to any of the
"MECHANIC IN A CAN" products.

you cant believe the offending companies lab test claims .

remember when slick 50 was heavily advertsing their product.?
they would run slick 50 in a briggs and stratton engine and then drain it and show how it would run for half and hour with no oil.

Briggs and stratton got curious about slick50 using their product in an advertisement without their permission. so they ran an engine with slick50 and one without, drained em and tested em. both engines
ran half an hour.

Briggs sued slick 50 before the FTC and won.

 

[HGM]

never will reach a verifiable conclusion in reference to any of the
"MECHANIC IN A CAN" products.

you cant believe the offending companies lab test claims .

remember when slick 50 was heavily advertsing their product.?
they would run slick 50 in a briggs and stratton engine and then drain it and show how it would run for half and hour with no oil.

Briggs and stratton got curious about slick50 using their product in an advertisement without their permission. so they ran an engine with slick50 and one without, drained em and tested em. both engines
ran half an hour.

Briggs sued slick 50 before the FTC and won.

I completely agree with that as a blanket statement.. I have always regarded additives as "witch oil" and doubted the effectiveness because of the "testing" procedutes and rediculous claims...

In regards to cetane booster.......... I dont for a minute doubt the claims of the "silver" Power Services, Motorcraft Cetane enhancer, Stanadyne or Racor boosters because I have used them.. They do work, they are cheap(actually pay for themselves) and are easy enough to try(alowing cheap and easy proof to anyone who doubts it)..

Now, with that being said... When you guys start getting the '07 emissioned trucks(with aftertreatments for exhaust) you will need to be selective on the product you use.. They should all be labeled for ULSD by the time the vehicles start appearing.. If you use the older fomulations, you will prematurely clogg your particulate filter and cause a more frequent regeneration, contributing to lessening the life span of the trap and worsening fuel economy.. I understand there are alot of uncertanties and questions regarding the new emissions, we have alot too(engineering isnt too free with that info).. Bottom line, they will not be as forgiving as diesels of the past.. Yes they will run, but the emissions system will take a beating if you use the wrong fuel, oil or additives.. Someone will say that engineering is FOS, they know better than the guys that built it and begin selling big exhaust, chips/programers, and air filtration systems because they werent engineered correctly in the begining.. My recomendation, as someone who is involved in the launch and repair of these new machines, resist the urge.. We were talking about it this week and believe the HP wars are just about over..

 

[cowpie1]

After going over all the posts here, I have noticed no mention on Howe's fuel treatment. I have used it for over 20 years with excellent results. I hardly have any water in the separator and have experienced long life fuel pumps and injectors.

If any of you were to stop by most of the major truck stops, you will find that Howe's is the product they carry the most of. It has been a transportation industry standard for decades.

To compare, if you take the bottle that Howe's comes in and fill it with FPPF or PS, it will eat thru the bottle. The products other than howes has solvents in it's contents. Howe's has no solvents or alchohol. I have had injectors last over 700K miles on the semis I have operated. It is the ONLY product that we used in Alaska for the 6 years I lived up there year round.

Cost is comparable to PS and others. I realize that Walmart carries PS and not Howe's, but that may speak volumes. I realize that this all sounds like a paid ad, but it is my experience of over 20 years.

Is PS a bad product, no. Same with most of the other additives. But if you want a product that has proven itself far longer with those whose living is dependent on it, go with Howe's.

 

[HGM]

After going over all the posts here, I have noticed no mention on Howe's fuel treatment. I have used it for over 20 years with excellent results. I hardly have any water in the separator and have experienced long life fuel pumps and injectors.

If any of you were to stop by most of the major truck stops, you will find that Howe's is the product they carry the most of. It has been a transportation industry standard for decades.

To compare, if you take the bottle that Howe's comes in and fill it with FPPF or PS, it will eat thru the bottle. The products other than howes has solvents in it's contents. Howe's has no solvents or alchohol. I have had injectors last over 700K miles on the semis I have operated. It is the ONLY product that we used in Alaska for the 6 years I lived up there year round.

Cost is comparable to PS and others. I realize that Walmart carries PS and not Howe's, but that may speak volumes. I realize that this all sounds like a paid ad, but it is my experience of over 20 years.

Is PS a bad product, no. Same with most of the other additives. But if you want a product that has proven itself far longer with those whose living is dependent on it, go with Howe's.

Maybe so... I havent tried it so I cant personally speak possitively or negatively of it..

 

[DieselPower]

After going over all the posts here, I have noticed no mention on Howe's fuel treatment. I have used it for over 20 years with excellent results. I hardly have any water in the separator and have experienced long life fuel pumps and injectors.

If any of you were to stop by most of the major truck stops, you will find that Howe's is the product they carry the most of. It has been a transportation industry standard for decades.

To compare, if you take the bottle that Howe's comes in and fill it with FPPF or PS, it will eat thru the bottle. The products other than howes has solvents in it's contents. Howe's has no solvents or alchohol. I have had injectors last over 700K miles on the semis I have operated. It is the ONLY product that we used in Alaska for the 6 years I lived up there year round.

Cost is comparable to PS and others. I realize that Walmart carries PS and not Howe's, but that may speak volumes. I realize that this all sounds like a paid ad, but it is my experience of over 20 years.

Is PS a bad product, no. Same with most of the other additives. But if you want a product that has proven itself far longer with those whose living is dependent on it, go with Howe's.

That's true. But Howe's is not the only one like this. TRC's is the same way and will not "disolve" a bottle.

As far as Power Service goes, this is quoted directly from their website.

" 2. Do Power Service diesel additives contain alcohol?

The only product manufactured by Power Service that contains the type of non-harmful alcohols recommended by engine manufacturers for removal of water is Power Service Diesel 911. Diesel 911, as its name implies, is used to solve the fuel emergencies diesel engine operators most commonly encounter. In winter, Diesel 911 reliquefies gelled fuel and de-ices frozen fuel-filters in a matter of minutes, eliminating the need for a tow truck. Diesel 911 also removes water from the fuel system to prevent icing problems and extend the life of fuel-filters, fuel injection pumps and fuel injectors.

No other Power Service product contains any alcohols of any kind, including Power Service Diesel Fuel Supplement +Cetane Boost and Diesel Kleen +Cetane Boost. "

 

[cowpie1]

That's true. But Howe's is not the only one like this. TRC's is the same way and will not "disolve" a bottle.

As far as Power Service goes, this is quoted directly from their website.

" 2. Do Power Service diesel additives contain alcohol?

The only product manufactured by Power Service that contains the type of non-harmful alcohols recommended by engine manufacturers for removal of water is Power Service Diesel 911. Diesel 911, as its name implies, is used to solve the fuel emergencies diesel engine operators most commonly encounter. In winter, Diesel 911 reliquefies gelled fuel and de-ices frozen fuel-filters in a matter of minutes, eliminating the need for a tow truck. Diesel 911 also removes water from the fuel system to prevent icing problems and extend the life of fuel-filters, fuel injection pumps and fuel injectors.






No other Power Service product contains any alcohols of any kind, including Power Service Diesel Fuel Supplement +Cetane Boost and Diesel Kleen +Cetane Boost. "

No alchohols, but PS does contain solvents. Howes has neither. You get anti-gel, cetane boost, and lubricity with Howes and it doesn't have to resort to alchohols or solvents. It is a petroleum based product.

I am not saying that other products are crap, I am just saying that Howes is a product that has proven itself FAR longer than PS, FPPF, etc and is the preferred product by many in the professional trucking industry. And as I stated before, it was the ONLY product that we would use to deal with winters in Alaska when I operated up there.

I have NEVER had a gel up using howes even to -75F. All the engines I have used (CAT, Detroit, Cummins) have operated quite well using the product.

Remember that water in diesel is one of the biggest problems. It will sandpaper pumps and injectors. Howes does the best job of handling water of any product I have seen. It encalsulates the water molecules so that they will not bond. Same for the wax. The results speak for themselves.