ULSD and Power Service - question

[SkyPup]

cp1969 - I can't locate the article I recently read on this subject, but what it basically said was that the additives added to ULSD at the refinery settled out during storage, so the additives were being added at some point in the distribution chain. The author went on to say that his experience was that these same people were responsible for adding additives to gasoline and occasionaly when in a hurry simply failed to add anything so they could get the product shipped. Is this a fact?

No, that is NOT a fact.

In fact it is 100% BS, since they DO NOT add any additives at the refinery, they add them at the distribution point to retail......plus, they don't settle out of solution since they are not in suspension to begin with.


What a total croc of 100% bogus misinformation.....


Next we are going to hear that Catepillar, Cummins, Navistar, etc. have all gone out of business because all the big the oil companies took the sulfur out of diesel fuel....... LOL



You should always add Power Service as a extra insurance though, since you never know when you'll get a bad tank of adulterated fuel that has been contaminated with gasoline or worse.

 

[MadReferee]

No, that is NOT a fact.

In fact it is 100% BS, since they DO NOT add any additives at the refinery, they add them at the distribution point to retail......plus, they don't settle out of solution since they are not in suspension to begin with.

Well, maybe or maybe not. The refineries do blend in whatever chemicals are necessary to make the ULSD meet the current lubricity standard. Both Chevron and a refinery worker comfirmed this.

Additional additives may be added at the bulk distribution point on a brand by brand basis, similar to gasoline.

 

[cp1969]

As a diesel mechanic that went through the disaster of the 3000ppm to 500ppm of sulfer I have no doubt the 500ppm to 15ppm will be just as bad if not worse.

I was an owner of trucks back then and heard all the dire predictions. I held my breath and crossed fingers as sulfur, the miracle lubricant, was reduced by 90%, and...nothing happened. Not one maintenance problem, even without running any 'peace-of-mind' additives. I hope the switch this time is 'just as bad.'

I think of the credit card commercial, cost of power service $6.49, cost of a gallon of diesel $2.59, the cost of "Peace of Mind" - PRICELESS

There is another way to gain real peace of mind and it costs nothing. That is to educate oneself about the subject in question. All makers of aftermarket products, whether they be additives, intake turbo-nators, cow magnets, or whatever, rely heavily upon the fact that most people will not make the effort to educate themselves as to whether their product is needed in the first place--they would rather just plunk down a few bucks and 'sleep easy that night.'

Diesel engines are historically not very picky about what they will digest--the patent, I think, called for coal dust as a fuel. In the past, we have been able to dump almost any and all kinds of combustible liquid into the fuel tank, the engine would digest it, and everyone was happy. However, the emissions systems on new diesels won't be as tolerant of extra ingredients--that is what is driving the new fuel formulation and with it, restrictions on the composition of additives. You cannot simply add back in the sulfur to get your 'peace of mind.' It will not be legal for any additive to contain sulfur in a higher ratio than the fuel itself. Any additive claiming to increase lubricity will be doing it without sulfur, so what is it they will use that the manufacturer of the fuel would not be in a better place to test whether it's needed and add when the fuel was born?

 

[SkyPup]

I do sometimes worry about my hexadecane setting out of my diesel fuel, but only when the ambient temperatures fall to less than 10* F.

 

[UncleBuck01]

No, that is NOT a fact.

In fact it is 100% BS

What a total croc of 100% bogus misinformation.....

I do sometimes worry about my hexadecane setting out of my diesel fue

....... LOL

CP1969 wrote
There is another way to gain real peace of mind and it costs nothing. That is to educate oneself about the subject in question.

Thats it , the thread is over, the "KINGS" of the forum have spoken, us common people worry too much, we don't have a clue because any info we collect that go against the kings has to be wrong, and I did not spend
countless time researching and educating myself on this subject. Besides , when the kings make fun of you and your concerns you are finished
Do you "KINGS" of the forum think I should cancel my homeowners insurance, since i have never made a claim in my life ,the only reason I have it is so I have peace of mind....... LOL ....... LOL

Buck

 

[SkyPup]

I'd immediately double up on the Homeowners policy, in fact it'd be best to go ahead and call your agent right now and get a umbrella rider attached, make sure that it has earthquake, toxic waste, asteroid and meteorite, falling airplane, terrorist, nuclear radiation, ultra low sulfur and extraterrestial cosmic ray coverage.

I sense a compression ignition apocalypse on the horizon now that diesel fuel has had 98% of its sulfur removed...

 

[UncleBuck01]

I'd immediately double up on the Homeowners policy, in fact it'd be best to go ahead and call your agent right now and get a umbrella rider attached, make sure that it has earthquake, toxic waste, asteroid and meteorite, falling airplane, terrorist, nuclear radiation, ultra low sulfur and extraterrestial cosmic ray coverage.

I sense a compression ignition apocalypse on the horizon now that diesel fuel has had 98% of its sulfur removed...

Sounds like Scotty has beamed you up during a transporter malfunction, Hurry! go to sick bay and have Bones do a maturity scan before you get stuck being a child, I bet you Star Fleet Health Insurance with a reverse maturity rider wiill cover your expenses. That umbrella rider you described above must come in handy when you explore the universe. I will call my insurance guy and ask him for that insurance, but something tells me it is only for researchers from another dimension who can't be wrong! Good luck with Bones and may the force be with you.......LOL.........LOL

 

[SkyPup]

FYI, Star Fleet Command banned sulfur propellants way way back in October of 2006!

Remember, sulfur is a contaminant, not a lubricant, plus it really stinks!

LOL

 

[UncleBuck01]

FYI, Star Fleet Command banned sulfur propellants way way back in October of 2006!

Remember, sulfur is a contaminant, not a lubricant, plus it really stinks!

LOL

"way way" before you were born ????....LOL

 

[hsdfcu]

Since everyone is pimping Power Service (PS) ; please show a UOA using PS and one without, using same mileage etc. Based on talks with Dyson Analysis, bearing wear will go up, AKA increase with PS.