Understanding Curb Weight, GVWR, Towing and CDL requirements
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stumblinhorse
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It is really a sickening thing. In life you learn to not push equipment to its limit. So you try to be safe and get more truck and trailer than you need. Not that I ever will be over 26k. But because my rig is rated for it, I need 4 weeks of class on trucks that I will never drive.
paulsharvey
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The 'Theory' part is dead simple, anyone who can drive a car, and spends 30 minutes looking over the rules can pass for CDL B without air brakes. The problem comes in with the new requirements for the driving school. Our government... shortage of truck drives; I know; let's make it more expensive to do it, that will get more drives...
LD1
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As said, CDL rules apply for COMMERCIAL use ONLY. Thats what the "C" stands for.
"some" states may choose to enforce those weight classifications on NON-commercial people....or even have non-commercial licenses of the same classes.
So hauling for business or hauling for personal has EVERYTHING to do with whether you need a CDL or not.
And my last sentence IS correct in the reply you quoted
LD1
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Thats wrong. And you even go on to quote the FMCSA paragraph that tells you why
paulsharvey
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So, I dont know that all of this is by any means a deal killer. Move your equipment on a trailer with a 2500/3500 and min trailer; do your material hauling with the 25,999 dump truck. Another option, maybe not ideal, is single cab 2wd dually, and a 16000 lbs dump trailer.
What I don't see is the curb weight on this dump trailer. I'm guessing 6k? That leaves you able to haul 10k of equipment or material. That is frankly, still more then the original F350 dump you wanted.
I do think your eventually end game will end up with a pick up moving equipment, and a 25999 dump truck; but in the short term...
Attached is a truck in Tex; F450, diesel, Class 2 truck, with the Kaufman trailer, you not lacking any of your initial wants. Note; it's a stake side, not a dump. and I don't know how they kept a diesel F450 crew cab under 10k lbs
Incase it isn't appearent; my thought process changed mid post as I worked my Google Foo.
What I don't see is the curb weight on this dump trailer. I'm guessing 6k? That leaves you able to haul 10k of equipment or material. That is frankly, still more then the original F350 dump you wanted.
I do think your eventually end game will end up with a pick up moving equipment, and a 25999 dump truck; but in the short term...
Attached is a truck in Tex; F450, diesel, Class 2 truck, with the Kaufman trailer, you not lacking any of your initial wants. Note; it's a stake side, not a dump. and I don't know how they kept a diesel F450 crew cab under 10k lbs
Incase it isn't appearent; my thought process changed mid post as I worked my Google Foo.
paulsharvey
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Looks like 3rd picture didn't load.
The reason I don't like a 16k dump trailer is simple, they are longer, less maneuverable, and worse in a tight area then a similar dump capacity sump truck. It's not that you can't so 80% of the same stuff.
So; what I'm unclear on; a simple class 2 or class 3 truck; what's the max non CDL trailer? Could a 15999 truck pull a 20k trailer? What about a 9999 truck? Are we still work with the 36000 total combination? Or are we automatically talking about a CDL A for a 10,001 trailer with an SUV?
The reason I don't like a 16k dump trailer is simple, they are longer, less maneuverable, and worse in a tight area then a similar dump capacity sump truck. It's not that you can't so 80% of the same stuff.
So; what I'm unclear on; a simple class 2 or class 3 truck; what's the max non CDL trailer? Could a 15999 truck pull a 20k trailer? What about a 9999 truck? Are we still work with the 36000 total combination? Or are we automatically talking about a CDL A for a 10,001 trailer with an SUV?
LD1
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The problem is with the stupid @$$ law when a guy with a pickup truck and equipment trailer even needs the same class license and training that someone driving an 18-wheeler needs.
