Buying Advice Used JD 110 vs everything else

[DavesTractor]

You're all wrong about trailer weight and CDL's.

Rock, make sure you understand we are speaking about California rules. I am a commercial driver and have some experience with CA CDL rules. We have bumper pull trailers at 10k and under, and we have goosenecks at over 10k GVWR, both of which we pull with pickups. We also have a Freightliner for the bigger stuff. As such, we became familiar with the rules.

I know that many states differ. In CA, with a few exceptions for horse trailers and RV's, if the trailer has a GVWR over 10k lbs...even if pulled empty, you must have a CDL. Even the guy with a 14k GVWR dump trailer used for non-commercial purposes must have a CDL.

Educate me if I am all wrong.

 

[moparrob]

Rock, make sure you understand we are speaking about California rules. I am a commercial driver and have some experience with CA CDL rules. We have bumper pull trailers at 10k and under, and we have goosenecks at over 10k GVWR, both of which we pull with pickups. We also have a Freightliner for the bigger stuff. As such, we became familiar with the rules.

I know that many states differ. In CA, with a few exceptions for horse trailers and RV's, if the trailer has a GVWR over 10k lbs...even if pulled empty, you must have a CDL. Even the guy with a 14k GVWR dump trailer used for non-commercial purposes must have a CDL.

Educate me if I am all wrong.

As a recovering CHP officer, thats my take as well. I dont want something I cant tow myself, and ideally I'd have a dump trailer to tow the tractor in if I could do side jobs.

Does anybody recommend a dump bed trailer that will haul a 110 and stay under 10k lbs?

 

[DavesTractor]

Yanmar CBL40 is a good option, but hard to find.

 

[DavesTractor]

As a recovering CHP officer, thats my take as well. I dont want something I cant tow myself, and ideally I'd have a dump trailer to tow the tractor in if I could do side jobs.

Does anybody recommend a dump bed trailer that will haul a 110 and stay under 10k lbs?

A dump trailer adequate in size and capacity to haul the 110 will weigh 4000 lbs minimum empty. A 14k trailer would be needed. Of course it isn't a big deal to get a CDL, you can take the test with a pickup and a 14k trailer, but will be restricted to non-air brake systems, no doubles, etc. Remember, if it requires a CDL then it is adequate to drive for your test.

 

[AKfish]

Well, you may be able to buy mine from my estate -- unless I convince my grandson it is too useful to part with.

LMAO!! There ya go, Dave! (If you haven't worked behind the wheel on a 110 and then worked on a CUT - I don't care WHICH ONE - you don't get it!)

Here's another point. The hoe on the 110 is pretty similar to the JD 595 backhoe. From what I could see, the swing cylinders, the bucket linkages and the attachment platform is quite abit heavier construction on the 110 hoe.

The 595 hoe is what Deere offers for the 5000 series utility tractors!

Long story short - the 110 is way overbuilt for it's size!

AKfish

 

[Rock knocker]

How does CA get away with that without running afoul of the Interstate Commerce Clause?

 

[DavesTractor]

How does CA get away with that without running afoul of the Interstate Commerce Clause?

I suspect if you are from a state that is more lenient regarding CDL and were pulled over in CA by a commercial officer, he would not be able to ticket you for driving out of class as long as you are legal where you are licensed. I think that is how they handle it. If you really look into the rules state by state, it is a mess. If I drive into Nevada to deliver a tractor, even with a pickup and bumper pull trailer, I can be fined if I do not ahead of time get a permit and pay for the privilege to drive commercially into NV. And you can't just drive in and go to the nearest DOT or scale, you must get the permit ahead of time.

I generally stay in CA, but a while back needed to go to Boise. Proper permits to go either through Nevada to Idaho or through Oregon to Idaho for this one time trip were cost prohibitive. I just hired the hauling done.

There is a lot I do not know about all these rules, and honestly I liked it better when I knew even less.

 

[ultrarunner]

I have a 12k PJ trailer de-rated to (9,998 lbs) that was sold with my 110 when it was new.

Have not had it on the scale... the seller told me it is right at maximum and if I chained the extra buckets to the trailer it would be over the plated rating...

It's funny in CA... I can pull a 3 axle 20,000 pound boat or drive a 40' RV with a non commercial license...

All the trailer dealers I have spoke with are well aware of the California specials which are de-rated...

 

[AKfish]

A dump trailer adequate in size and capacity to haul the 110 will weigh 4000 lbs minimum empty. A 14k trailer would be needed. Of course it isn't a big deal to get a CDL, you can take the test with a pickup and a 14k trailer, but will be restricted to non-air brake systems, no doubles, etc. Remember, if it requires a CDL then it is adequate to drive for your test.

X2 here. Based on past trips over the scales, I am fairly confident that my 110 will just edge over the 8K mark with a full tank of fuel.

HD bucket with cutting edge, HD 20" quick-attach hoe bucket, hydraulic thumb, stabilizer shields, 3/4 length belly-pan, rear wheel spacers.

It's a "stocky" dude! My trailer is a 20', 14K tandem axle.

AKfish

 

[DavesTractor]

I have a 12k PJ trailer de-rated to (9,998 lbs) that was sold with my 110 when it was new.

Have not had it on the scale... the seller told me it is right at maximum and if I chained the extra buckets to the trailer it would be over the plated rating...

It's funny in CA... I can pull a 3 axle 20,000 pound boat or drive a 40' RV with a non commercial license...

All the trailer dealers I have spoke with are well aware of the California specials which are de-rated...

I'm thinking the legislators in California that make the rules have RV's and boats and did not want to bother getting CDLs. Horse trailers have a higher limit also, same deal I expect. It makes little sense.

On the de-rate, we have a 10k rated trailer with a pair of 7k axles. We bought it new that way specifically, so it is technically not a de-rate, although it could have been rated 14k at the factory. It is just a 10k trailer that has all sorts of safety margin when loaded to 10k. This allows our non-CDL drivers a nice strong trailer. I do not like the idea of being at 10k on a 10k trailer for every day hauling.

I spoke with a commercial officer about it, and he basically said he was ok with it as long as we treated it like a 10k trailer. If we haul heavier on it regularly, he would not be amused. These commercial guys are smart fellows and they know what we are thinking.

 

[ultrarunner]

^^ I remember we spoke when I was looking for a Deere 110... you had a nice one that I had just missed... think it went to Oregon?

I've never towed my 110 because I don't have anything rated to tow 10k

Did let my neighbor's son borrow the trailer one weekend and it came back the tongue jack screwed up...

 

[DavesTractor]

^^ I remember we spoke when I was looking for a Deere 110... you had a nice one that I had just missed... think it went to Oregon?

I've never towed my 110 because I don't have anything rated to tow 10k

Did let my neighbor's son borrow the trailer one weekend and it came back the tongue jack screwed up...

Yes, that was a really, really clean unit. We bought quite a few during the downturn in the economy. That was probably the nicest one.

 

[TJP89]

My experience with the 110 was putting in a leech field in tough clay and it was a breeze with a 24" bucket. The creep-to-reposition made moving along the trench super easy, and when the septic was signed off, I rebuilt the motocross track with the 4 in one loader. The backhoe worked great for shaping the berms on the corners with the sideswing of the bucket. I also used it to dig around some large redwood stumps, but it wwasnt strong enough to break them loose on its own. In all fairness to the 110, the stumps were about 24" across at the trunk, and the root ball was about 6 feet in diameter. I wound up getting it out with a big-rig tow truck and its 50k lb winch.

I probably sound like a JD salesman, but i came here to find a cheaper alternative. So far, it seems like it has no real equal.

I don't think you'll be able to find an equal in all those things for less money. Maybe in some respects, but then you need multiple machines, which ends up costing more. If you like the 110, stay with it, and unless you need to haul it all the time, don't worry about a trailer. If towing is a necessity, then you probably need a CDL anyway if you're moving stuff that big.

 

[ultrarunner]

The non-commercial requirement was a key marketing point for the 110 as is with a similar Kubota offering.

My PJ trailer is 18' and swing up ramps and was sold as package by the Deere Dealer... it fits the trailer to a "T" and there is no extra trailer weight to haul to make it under the 10k California threshold...

My only regret is not having the rear remote for a hydraulic auger and or thumb...

 

[TSO]

That's interesting...
In Michigan, you are required to get a CDL if you are at a combined 26,001 GCWR or higher, AND the travel is commerce related. Not the actual weight, but the "potential weight." I think that auto mfgs know how to play the numbers game as well, as my F450 is rated at 16,000 GVWR, and 26,000 GCWR (not 26,001). Because I tow for business, in Michigan I need a Chauffer's endorsement. My PJ trailer is also "rated" at 9,998# which puts me 3lbs under the CDL requirement.

For those of you with the PJ 10k trailer, just keep an eye on your tire ratings. If you have the 15" tires, I believe (from memory) that they are good up to about 2750#/ea, so just a hair over 11k combined. The 16" tires I believe are about 3500#/EA, so about 14k. Just something to keep in mind.

 

[AKfish]

Those of you with experience with the 110, how capable is the backhoe in regards to small excavation work like digging out stumps and general lot clearing / site prep?

I'm not talking about clearing 10 acres, but I do work for some developers clearing residential lots, up to an acre usually.

Thanks in advance.

Deere no longer builds a 110. IMHO - if you're seriously considering a small, commercial grade TLB - look for a Kubota.

Guys in the business - with enough work - have gone to skid steers and a mini-x. That's a big investment that starting out of the blocks is darn hard to bite off!

What you've described appears like a L45 Kubota fit.

If I ever sell my 110; I'll be lookin' for a Kubota.

AKfish

 

[AKfish]

That's interesting...
In Michigan, you are required to get a CDL if you are at a combined 26,001 GCWR or higher, AND the travel is commerce related. Not the actual weight, but the "potential weight." I think that auto mfgs know how to play the numbers game as well, as my F450 is rated at 16,000 GVWR, and 26,000 GCWR (not 26,001). Because I tow for business, in Michigan I need a Chauffer's endorsement. My PJ trailer is also "rated" at 9,998# which puts me 3lbs under the CDL requirement.

For those of you with the PJ 10k trailer, just keep an eye on your tire ratings. If you have the 15" tires, I believe (from memory) that they are good up to about 2750#/ea, so just a hair over 11k combined. The 16" tires I believe are about 3500#/EA, so about 14k. Just something to keep in mind.

FYI - the weight that Davestractor quoted for the 110 is a tractor equipped a pin-on, standard 18" hoe bucket, standard front loader bucket (no cutting edge), no added hydraulics, etc.

Add HD buckets and/or larger buckets, shields, optional hyds-thumb. You "might" want to step right up to a 14k trailer.

AKfish

 

[TSO]

Deere no longer builds a 110. IMHO - if you're seriously considering a small, commercial grade TLB - look for a Kubota.

Guys in the business - with enough work - have gone to skid steers and a mini-x. That's a big investment that starting out of the blocks is darn hard to bite off!

What you've described appears like a L45 Kubota fit.

If I ever sell my 110; I'll be lookin' for a Kubota.

AKfish

I've compared the specs between the L39/45 & the 110... & they seem pretty close.

I wouldn't be able to buy new right now anyhow, so I'd be looking at used. There are a couple reasonably priced used 110's in my area (high hours tho) and the older L48's as well. The plus side to Kubota is that I have a dealer about 3 miles up the road, and the JD dealer near me, only 5 miles, appears to sell just green JD, so I'm not sure how capable they'd be at servicing yellow.

What are your thoughts on the older L48's ? And, what would make you choose am L45 over a 110 anyhow, considering they were both used with comparable hours and price?

FYI - the weight that Davestractor quoted for the 110 is a tractor equipped a pin-on, standard 18" hoe bucket, standard front loader bucket (no cutting edge), no added hydraulics, etc.

Add HD buckets and/or larger buckets, shields, optional hyds-thumb. You "might" want to step right up to a 14k trailer.

AKfish

No you're right ... I've actually been thinking about selling my 20 footer and getting a 24' deck-over. Was just wanting to avoid CDL stuff, but as my business is growing/changing, it might not be possible to stay under anyhow.

 

[ultrarunner]

Deere no longer builds a 110. IMHO - if you're seriously considering a small, commercial grade TLB - look for a Kubota.

Guys in the business - with enough work - have gone to skid steers and a mini-x. That's a big investment that starting out of the blocks is darn hard to bite off!

What you've described appears like a L45 Kubota fit.

If I ever sell my 110; I'll be lookin' for a Kubota.

AKfish

This is exactly why the 110 I bought was available...

The company replaced it with a skid, a mini x and a dump trailer that can haul either...

They said it is more efficient with a two man crew...

 

[AKfish]

What are your thoughts on the older L48's ? And, what would make you choose am L45 over a 110 anyhow, considering they were both used with comparable hours and price?

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The complaint that I recall about the L48 had to do with the transmission speeds. Specifically, low was too low and the 2nd range was too high.

That alone would steer me towards the L45. I sat on a L39 and felt it was too "small". I know it doesn't look too bad on paper.. But, I just couldn't get past the sense that it would not measure up to the work.

I don't think I would "choose" a L45 over a similarity equipped 110 - every thing being equal. But, I'd be very surprised that you'll be able to find a mid-hour 110 with all the options that I consider to be a "deal-breaker" if not present, for much less than $36-38K.

That puts the whole deal into striking range for a new L45. Especially, with good financing terms and warranty.

(But.... I have NOT priced out a well-optioned L45, either. Could be $50K!)

AKfish