UTV's and ATV's general discussion.

   / UTV's and ATV's general discussion. #431  
My side by side does engine braking to a certain extent and just as you are comfortable all of a sudden it lets go and free wheels.
It is not a small rig and quite heavy, but it will climb, diff locks in both axles.
a Benchee/Massimo Warrior 800 with a liquid cooled V twin.
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   / UTV's and ATV's general discussion. #432  
As far as I know it is only the Polaris units that don't have engine braking in the newest machines. Reading tests of new machines in my UTV magazines and they still complain about it. I know that Can-am, Honda and Yamaha all have their clutching systems set up to provide engine braking. Actually, Polaris does also - but you have to "goose" the throttle to get the clutch to engage going downhill. How intuitive is that? Having to push on the throttle to make the unit slow down? And you have to keep goosing the throttle all the way down a hill because otherwise the clutch keeps disengaging.

We have two Polaris side by sides (County owned) in our Sheriff's Search and Rescue unit. Both react the same way going down a steep hill and we have to train new recruits on driving these things because some of them have their own side by sides and are used to having engine braking; its a whole new experience for them when they first downhill in a Polaris and it just takes off on them going down the mountain.

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   / UTV's and ATV's general discussion. #433  
As far as I know it is only the Polaris units that don't have engine braking in the newest machines. Reading tests of new machines in my UTV magazines and they still complain about it. I know that Can-am, Honda and Yamaha all have their clutching systems set up to provide engine braking. Actually, Polaris does also - but you have to "goose" the throttle to get the clutch to engage going downhill. How intuitive is that? Having to push on the throttle to make the unit slow down? And you have to keep goosing the throttle all the way down a hill because otherwise the clutch keeps disengaging.

We have two Polaris side by sides (County owned) in our Sheriff's Search and Rescue unit. Both react the same way going down a steep hill and we have to train new recruits on driving these things because some of them have their own side by sides and are used to having engine braking; its a whole new experience for them when they first downhill in a Polaris and it just takes off on them going down the mountain.
Yeah that doesn't make much sense at all. I didn't have Polaris on my list and sounds like it'll never make it on the list haha!
 
   / UTV's and ATV's general discussion. #434  
The 520 suit my needs well. I wanted something smaller and lighter so that I could get out and work in my woods when conditions were a bit too soft to get out there with my tractor without tearing things up. It works well for that. I haul tools in the bed, and bring along with a small trailer if I want to haul back a bit of firewood.

I have my tractor with a dump trailer and a log forwarding trailer with hydraulic grapple for the larger jobs, so I had no need for a larger SxS. I also had no interest in a "go fast" sport/recreation focused ATV. I've had my Pioneer 520 up to 40 MPH exactly once, just to see if it would do it. Most of the time it's less 15-20 MPH, often less on my woods trails.
I definitely don't need/want a fast one. 15-20 MPH would be my top general speed range
 
   / UTV's and ATV's general discussion. #436  
You kind of have to know where I'm coming from when I say this, so basically my Mule is taking the place of a lawn tractor, i.e., I use it to run around the yard with a trailer to do chores. In that respect it is OK. I don't use it for "trail riding" or any kind of "four wheeling" type activities, so not really sure how it would be in those kind of situations.

Again, I haven't really tried doing anything too radical with it, just driving around the yard, but it doesn't feel terribly stable laterally, so for trail riding or operation on steep hills, a wider unit might be better.

I will say that it seems to get good traction, especially with dif lock and 4WD engaged. I like the fact that it is small and can fit in tight spaces. It is supposed to have an 1100 lb tow rating and it seems to tow my utility trailer (full of trees/logs) just fine. It seems silly to me that they tell you the tow rating, but there is no tow hitch from the factory and they don't even offer a receiver hitch as an option, you have to get one on Amazon. They do offer a kind of cheesy looking ball mount as an accessory.

Some things I don't really like about it:
CVT transmission - is clunky to shift and freewheels going down hills so you have to ride the brakes. I assume this would make it a pain in the neck for trail riding.
The bed is too small to be of any real use. If I need to haul anything more than a few tools, I have to use the trailer.
Non-power steering. It's not horribly heavy, but once you get used to a tractor with hydraulic steering, it's kind of a let down...
Noisy - I heard people say this about the Mule before I bought one, but never thought it would bother me. It's not so much the noise, but the thing feels like it's revving it's guts out all the time just to get and keep moving.

If I were buying another UTV, I would be looking closely at the Kubota RTV models with hydrostatic drive. I've never driven one, but I really think it would be a better fit for my use. Also, I think the Kubota RTV's are all liquid cooled so would be a little quieter and more refined.

I will say one other thing, in my state, any UTV less that 50 inches wide has to be registered and you have to pay property taxes on it. The Mule is 48 inches wide (track) so it will fit in a pickup (which I don't care about). I think this is really stupid and I can't for the life of my figure out why this is so, but it is. Units over 50 inches wide don't have to be registered or pay tax. It's not that there is much tax on it, but it is the priniciple of it that pizzes me off the more I think about it.


The Kubota RTV is unbearably loud being that it is a diesel. I took one for a spin. They are really slow and so loud that I could not carry on a conversation with the salesman that was trying to sell it to me. I wound up with a Kawasaki Mule Pro-MX. It has been a great UTV thus far.

Dave

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   / UTV's and ATV's general discussion. #437  
The Kubota RTV is unbearably loud being that it is a diesel. I took one for a spin. They are really slow and so loud that I could not carry on a conversation with the salesman that was trying to sell it to me. I wound up with a Kawasaki Mule Pro-MX. It has been a great UTV thus far.

Dave

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I was thinking RTV 520, liquid-cooled, 2 cyl gas, hydrostatic trans. Haven't driven one, but I'd imagine the Pro MX is light years ahead of the Mule SX for sure.
 
   / UTV's and ATV's general discussion. #438  
On noise, you need to separate engine from wind. Even if completely silent, it's hard to talk at 40-50 mph in an open cab.
 
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We have the RTV 520 - SOLID little machine. Is it slow, yes. Does it have a great suspension, Nope. It is a great little machien for around the house, fits everywhere, decent on fuel, built more like a tank than a SxS, in low will throw you into the windshield it you suddenly remove your foot from the fuel, and tows above its weight class.
It is NOT a trail machine, it is a work machine. I have a Defender for the trails and foul weather.
 
   / UTV's and ATV's general discussion. #440  
It is NOT a trail machine, it is a work machine. I have a Defender for the trails and foul weather.
My girlfriend had an RTV1100C for a while, but practically gave it away and bought a Defender "single cab longbed".

It was primarily the diesel that made her not want the Kubota.
 

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