VERY expensive beet juice!

   / VERY expensive beet juice! #241  
this would have been a few years ago, at a county maintenance facility where they park their fleet service tractors. The GC I work for routinely pics up DRA/WRA and pond maintenance contracts from the city and county. it's common that some of the ponds have fish in tem ( bream usually ).. there was a bulk tank rupture that caused the leak, it spilled into a collection weir and then overran a bank and into t he pond. kill happened within 24 hours. I don't know the 'brand' it was.. but was a beet juice product according to the maint foreman at the site. I was there and supervising the job. incedentally.. the spill was not caused by our co.. I never did hear what 'caused' the spill.. whether it was vandalism.. tank rupture... careless employee.. etc. I just know it stunk the next day as dead fish were everywhere. YUCK!

soundguy
Timeline is critical on this, because Rimguard(beet juice) has been out only a relatively short time.

I am intersested in any info on this product........don't get me wrong.

I purchased it as non-toxic to fish and wildlife............I want accurate info and nothing more.

And I also want to pass along this same info to others who also care about wildlife and/or pets/humans.
 
   / VERY expensive beet juice! #242  
ALOT of juice went into a not very big pond. I doubt 20g out of a tire is going to have a huge environmental impact unless that 20g popped right into a 50 gallon in ground koi pond or something... :)

incedental spills are incedental spills. bulk tank ruptures.. well... different playing field.

sorry I don't have brand names and hard quantities to give you. The spill cleanup wasn't part of my contract...

soundguy
 
   / VERY expensive beet juice! #243  
ALOT of juice went into a not very big pond. I doubt 20g out of a tire is going to have a huge environmental impact unless that 20g popped right into a 50 gallon in ground koi pond or something... :)

incedental spills are incedental spills. bulk tank ruptures.. well... different playing field.

sorry I don't have brand names and hard quantities to give you. The spill cleanup wasn't part of my contract...

soundguy
Sure wish I could have gotten more info on this, because it sounds like the complaints I heard about the 'Old Rim Guard Product".

And yes, I will agree that 'too much' of a 'good thing' can be harmful. Salt can be used in the water with fish to treat certain ailments, but one must consider the fact that it will kill most vegetation at the same time. Thus stopping oxygen production that is crucial to fish. And not to mention the fact that the same plants 'shade' the water which retards algae growth.
 
   / VERY expensive beet juice! #244  
When cited by several sources..............I wouldn't call it a 'gross exageration'!

You are welcome to look at the links provided, and look up other links also.........but what you'll find is that methanol is dangerous.

I could give scenarios regarding living creatures, but, it might be best if you ponder the situation.

Methanol is the "active" ingredient in WWF. Usually about 20-30% methanol, a little blue or orange dye and the rest water. How toxic can it be? You can walk into Wally World or Home Despot and purchase 100 gallons of the stuff if you like. As noted, it is not for oral consumption but there is hardly anything else you could do with it, within reason, that would cause injury to person, fauna or flora. We spray millions of gallons all over our highways every year. Keep in mind that even tractor tire leaks usually drop only 5-10 gallons and at most about 50 gallons of 20-30% methanol that leaks out of a hole over hours. Rapidly biodegrated in soil. Harmful to fish only in very high concentrations. Indeed, humans are the most susceptible of mammals and how many folks are hospitalized after exposure to WWF?

The national fire protection association (NFPA) rating for health effects of methanol is level 1 which equates to "may be irritating" (same rating as Rush Limbaugh). As stated earlier, you would have to take a bath in pure methanol to absorb enough to harm you. Most of the MSDS info on methanol warnings relate to large industrial exposures especially inhalation in enclosed spaces. These are simply not realistic concerns for someone who is talking about getting a barrel of methanol, diluting it with water and pumping it into tractor tires. If it is safe enough for Granny to use as WWF, I'd say it is safe enough to use as ballast in a tractor tire.
 
   / VERY expensive beet juice! #245  
Methanol is the "active" ingredient in WWF. Usually about 20-30% methanol, a little blue or orange dye and the rest water. How toxic can it be? You can walk into Wally World or Home Despot and purchase 100 gallons of the stuff if you like. As noted, it is not for oral consumption but there is hardly anything else you could do with it, within reason, that would cause injury to person, fauna or flora. We spray millions of gallons all over our highways every year. Keep in mind that even tractor tire leaks usually drop only 5-10 gallons and at most about 50 gallons of 20-30% methanol that leaks out of a hole over hours. Rapidly biodegrated in soil. Harmful to fish only in very high concentrations. Indeed, humans are the most susceptible of mammals and how many folks are hospitalized after exposure to WWF?

The national fire protection association (NFPA) rating for health effects of methanol is level 1 which equates to "may be irritating" (same rating as Rush Limbaugh). As stated earlier, you would have to take a bath in pure methanol to absorb enough to harm you. Most of the MSDS info on methanol warnings relate to large industrial exposures especially inhalation in enclosed spaces. These are simply not realistic concerns for someone who is talking about getting a barrel of methanol, diluting it with water and pumping it into tractor tires. If it is safe enough for Granny to use as WWF, I'd say it is safe enough to use as ballast in a tractor tire.
This is the only part of your post that I saw...........no sense in reding any more.

Read the attached links please..........:confused::confused::confused:


Methanol Poisoning Overview


Methanol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Methanol poisoning: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia


http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-met...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0003250/

Please pay careful attention to the parts that say 'readily absorbed..............that means if your child/grandchild stands in the leaked area.............it can go into their bloodstream very fast, and cause blindness or death. Same with your pets.:thumbdown::thumbdown:
 
   / VERY expensive beet juice! #246  
This is the only part of your post that I saw...........no sense in reding any more.

Read the attached links please..........:confused::confused::confused:

Why did you stop reading? If you had continued you would have seen that I read the whole MSDS for methanol and checked out the NFPA rating as well. Those are authoritative statements. What sort of baloney are you selling?

Do you keep WWF in a hazardous materials cage in your household? Get a life.
 
   / VERY expensive beet juice! #247  
Why did you stop reading? If you had continued you would have seen that I read the whole MSDS for methanol and checked out the NFPA rating as well. Those are authoritative statements. What sort of baloney are you selling?

Do you keep WWF in a hazardous materials cage in your household? Get a life.
no sir you didn't

I updated my last post..............read it please.
 
   / VERY expensive beet juice! #248  
Sure wish I could have gotten more info on this, because it sounds like the complaints I heard about the 'Old Rim Guard Product".

And yes, I will agree that 'too much' of a 'good thing' can be harmful. Salt can be used in the water with fish to treat certain ailments, but one must consider the fact that it will kill most vegetation at the same time. Thus stopping oxygen production that is crucial to fish. And not to mention the fact that the same plants 'shade' the water which retards algae growth.

this was for sure a few years ago, perhaps this was the old rim guard material you speak of. it was always too much money for me, and at the gc i work for, we water loaded our tires and added prop glycol... what complaints did you hear about the old stuff?

soundguy
 
   / VERY expensive beet juice! #249  
this was for sure a few years ago, perhaps this was the old rim guard material you speak of. it was always too much money for me, and at the gc i work for, we water loaded our tires and added prop glycol... what complaints did you hear about the old stuff?

soundguy

Mainly that it wasn't what it was cracked up to be...........I read reviews of rusted rims, possible toxicity. This was shortly after I purchased my Massey, and I was investigating fluids for my tires.

I have a small tractor, and I needed the most weight(IMO), with the least amount of downsides, and easily repairable.
 
   / VERY expensive beet juice! #250  
have you thought about wheel, frame or axle weights? no leaks.. :)

you can cast your own weights out of concrete and populate them all over the tractor. betweent he fenders and tires is a good un used spot on many tractors, front bumper, bracket on the wheel center.. , frame huggers / hangers.. possibilities are only limited by tractor chassie dimensions and physical space.

good luck with your search!

soundguy

soundguy
 

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