VERY expensive beet juice!

[IslandTractor]

This is the only part of your post that I saw...........no sense in reding any more.

Read the attached links please..........


Methanol Poisoning Overview


Methanol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Methanol poisoning: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia


wiseGEEK: clear answers for common questions

Please pay careful attention to the parts that say 'readily absorbed..............that means if your child/grandchild stands in the leaked area.............it can go into their bloodstream very fast, and cause blindness or death. Same with your pets.:thumbdown::thumbdown:

OK, I read the first three. I have no idea who "wisegeeks" are and don't consider them authoritative so I did not read that one.

Please tell me you are kidding with this hysteria about methanol. I very clearly excluded drinking the stuff when I stated it was not dangerous. Everyone understands that methanol is a poison when consumed orally. I stated that twice but you apparently did not take note. Virtually all of the sources you quote are discussing oral ingestion of methanol. Not a realistic concern when using methanol or WWF as ballast.

How is a child going to wade into a pool of methanol/water mix. Do you think it forms pools when it spills? Try a little experiment: take a gallon of WWF and pour it in your yard. How deep is the pool? Do you seriously think Walmart, Home Depot and your local gas station would be selling WWF if little children were going blind or dying from transcutaneous exposures?

Read the rest of my earlier post that you claim not to have bothered reading. The National Fire Protection Association rates methanol as an "irritant". There are five grades they give out. Zero to Five. Zero is water and milk, intended for oral consumption. Methanol is a One. Irritant. Nothing more dangerous than a skin irritation from repeated exposure unless 1) orally consumed, 2) bathed in, or 3) inhaled in closed space in high concentration as in an industrial exposure. None of these are realistic risks for someone who is installing methanol into tires for ballast outdoors and none are realistic risks in the event of a leak from a filled tire.

Please learn to read MSDS a little more realistically and stop exaggerating the risk of methanol, especially as a 20-30% solution as used in tire ballast. Do you have the same attitude towards diesel fuel? That can be pretty bad when ingested orally too you know. Better run your tractor on beet juice instead.

 

[Don87]

OK, I read the first three. .

Methanol is toxic, and can be readily absorbed through the skin.

That is the point I was making.

 

[IslandTractor]

Methanol is toxic, and can be readily absorbed through the skin.

That is the point I was making.

Give it up. In the concentrations used with tractor ballast there is virtually zero risk unless you drink it or use it to fill a hot tub for a long soak. Before you reiterate your exaggerated warning, please investigate whether OSHA or the CDC have recorded even a single episode in the past fifty years of a person or animal harmed by contact with WWF or dilute methanol. This is a non problem.

 

[canoetrpr]

Liquid ballast sure stirs up passions!

While I should have waited to see how the tractor would perform with the cast iron rims it came with, I have bitten the bullet and gone with WWF. I was bake to source it in bulk for not a horrible price. I might be more inclined for the extra weight of beet juice if I didn't have cast iron rims.

 

[Soundguy]

wait till you see 4wd, gear/hst tranny, or welder discussions.

this is nothing.

I got told last night I had no business owning a welder, or using one, had questionable comments made about my education and all other sorts of personal insults made against me by a member here.. all because of the brand of welder I bought.. that he doesn't like.. but won't tell you why he doesn't like them if you ask him.. oh.. and because I bought that brand, I made a /wrong/ decision, and was embarrised by it .. ( I'm not.. I love my hobart.. )

soundguy

 

[Don87]

Give it up. In the concentrations used with tractor ballast there is virtually zero risk unless you drink it or use it to fill a hot tub for a long soak. Before you reiterate your exaggerated warning, please investigate whether OSHA or the CDC have recorded even a single episode in the past fifty years of a person or animal harmed by contact with WWF or dilute methanol. This is a non problem.

Although you responded to the post yourself, you seem to have forgotten the text.



http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...-very-expensive-beet-juice-5.html#post2526060

 

[Don87]

Liquid ballast sure stirs up passions!

While I should have waited to see how the tractor would perform with the cast iron rims it came with, I have bitten the bullet and gone with WWF. I was bake to source it in bulk for not a horrible price. I might be more inclined for the extra weight of beet juice if I didn't have cast iron rims.

Yes sir it does.

Some of us have seen the damage first hand that some of these things can cause. Nothing like having your pet die in your arms because it ingested antifreeze.

My garden area is roughly 60 feet by 80 feet, I can just imagine popping a tire with CACL in it, and ruining my garden for several years to come.

I tend to be overly cautious with chemicals of any kind.

 

[IslandTractor]

Although you responded to the post yourself, you seem to have forgotten the text.



http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...-very-expensive-beet-juice-5.html#post2526060

What are you talking about now? The linked post says essentially what I have been repeating to you ad nauseum every time you complain about methanol toxicity. What text did I forget?

And where are the case reports of humans or pets being harmed by WWF or methanol/water used as tractor tire ballast? If you are going to persist in making these warnings please show us some data.

I think your recent post describing your pet's death puts this all into perspective. You have had a personal traumatic experience with antifreeze (not methanol) and as a result you have become obsessed with toxicity issues. I'm sorry about your pet but exaggerating toxicity claims isn't going to bring the poor creature back. Ethylene glycol poisoning is a terrible thing and is the driving force for safer antifreeze solutions like propylene glycol. Again, this has nothing to do with methanol containing ballast solutions. Please stop conflating the two.

 

[Don87]

What are you talking about now? The linked post says essentially what I have been repeating to you ad nauseum every time you complain about methanol toxicity. What text did I forget?

And where are the case reports of humans or pets being harmed by WWF or methanol/water used as tractor tire ballast? If you are going to persist in making these warnings please show us some data.

I think your recent post describing your pet's death puts this all into perspective. You have had a personal traumatic experience with antifreeze (not methanol) and as a result you have become obsessed with toxicity issues. I'm sorry about your pet but exaggerating toxicity claims isn't going to bring the poor creature back. Ethylene glycol poisoning is a terrible thing and is the driving force for safer antifreeze solutions like propylene glycol. Again, this has nothing to do with methanol containing ballast solutions. Please stop conflating the two.

You still, in your haste, neglected to read post number 49 completely.

Pure methanol was listed in the post. It IS highly toxic, and can be readily absorbed through the skin. Ya ain't gotta drink the stuff to go blind.

I posted the links for methanol poisoning for the benefit of everyone who may decide to work with it.

 

[IslandTractor]

Pure methanol was listed in the post. It IS highly toxic, and can be readily absorbed through the skin. Ya ain't gotta drink the stuff to go blind.

I posted the links for methanol poisoning for the benefit of everyone who may decide to work with it.

You know, I am usually the one accused of advocating a "nanny state" but you have outdone me here. I stand corrected: Though I already implied in prior posts that methanol might be dangerous if used in a hot tub, I did not explicitly point out that bathing with methanol in general should be avoided. I am embarrassed as I know it is general knowledge that tractor owners routinely use beet juice and CaCl as well as WWF are as bathing agents by tractor owners, typically just prior to adding the solutions to tires. So I should have been more clear that this would not be a good idea with methanol. I stand corrected.

Let us review how methanol is used in ballast: 1) Purchase a 55 gallon drum of methanol. 2) remove bung cap and put a hose into the drum, 3) use a pump to dispense appropriate amounts into each tire, 4) reseal the drum, 5) fill remaining tire volume with H2O up to approx 75% of tire capacity. (Please see separate MSDS for H2O which may be a risk factor for deaths by drowning during use as ballast).

Now just to be complete, I should also point out that breathing methanol fumes at high concentration is also bad for your health. Therefore, filling of tractor tires with methanol solution should NEVER be done in a closet and in general should be done indoors only if you leave plenty of windows open for ventilation.