Grapple Wanting info on grapple buckets/thumbs

[kennyd]

Guys. forgive my ignorance, but in researching this I keep reading that JD 3X20 series come with a 3rd SCV from the factory. I thought this was an added cost option. What is the deal? My 3520 has no aux hydraulic outputs that I ordered. Am I correct in assuming that I need the WR Long valve kit($550ish) and the Millonzi grapple bucket and nothing more/ nothing less to get my tractor setup with grapple capabilities?

This is what I know...
On the older series tractors that your model replaced, (4310,4410) the 3rd valve was attached to the loader DSCV, but it was not plumbed out and there was not handle to control it. I am 99% sure the new series are the same way. The 3rd SCV kit includes the plumbing (hard steel lines), control handle brackets, QD's and other hardware to make it work. I believe I already gave you the part # and price in another thread?

You could either go this route with long hoses OR the WR Long diverter kit with the Millonzi grapple.


I would get the 48" one and save your money and keep your lift capacity.

 

[jmt1271]

Kenny-

Based on Islands posts, I am definitely going with the Millonzi 48". I will probably go with the WR Long Valve kit, but just wanted to make sure that would be the most economical route. I dont mind spending the extra $550 but just wanted to make sure I am getting the best bang for the buck. I will look through my other posts for your mention of the part number. Thanks.

 

[kennyd]

Kenny-

Based on Islands posts, I am definitely going with the Millonzi 48". I will probably go with the WR Long Valve kit, but just wanted to make sure that would be the most economical route. I dont mind spending the extra $550 but just wanted to make sure I am getting the best bang for the buck. I will look through my other posts for your mention of the part number. Thanks.

I could not find where I mentioned it, it may not have been your post...

But according to the "build your own" configurator, it is option:
"LVB25506"
"3rd rear SCV kit "
Priced at $211.00 for an open station 3520 tractor

 

[IslandTractor]

Kenny-

Based on Islands posts, I am definitely going with the Millonzi 48". I will probably go with the WR Long Valve kit, but just wanted to make sure that would be the most economical route. I dont mind spending the extra $550 but just wanted to make sure I am getting the best bang for the buck. I will look through my other posts for your mention of the part number. Thanks.

Hey, I agree with that decision. No question the best bang for the buck out there is the 48" Millonzi. The 48" grapple will be just fine. I have yet to see a coherent argument on TBN for anything bigger except that some guys insist on having grapples the same size as their buckets. Save the money you'd spend on a 60" grapple and get the 48" then treat yourself to a "free" bonus implement or diverter valve.

I've posted many times that I liked my rear remotes to control the grapple but then I had rear remotes on my CK20 so it was a no brainer. I now have a new tractor that has both rear remotes and the WRLong diverter. I like the diverter too (but am still having trouble getting used to it). I would be happy with either set up. I suspect if you are having them installed by a dealer that the rear remote option might be a little cheaper but not enough to be the deciding factor. More important is whether the rear remote controller for your tractor would be in a place that you could easily (unconsciously like a stick shift transmission) move your hand to from the FEL controller without looking). If not then go for the diverter.

Photos of 48" Millonzi on the CK20 and the DK40se. Works beautifully on both tractors. Not too big for the CK20/KL120 and certainly not overpowered by the 2700lb lift capacity of the DK40se/KL401.

 

[jmt1271]

I could not find where I mentioned it, it may not have been your post...

But according to the "build your own" configurator, it is option:
"LVB25506"
"3rd rear SCV kit "
Priced at $211.00 for an open station 3520 tractor

Kenny-

To make sure I understand, does the "3rd rear SCV kit" eliminate the need for the WR Long valve kit? In othetr words, if I get the JD 3rd SCV would I not need the WR long kit? If so, what would control the grapple? Would it be controlled with the rockshaft lever?

 

[IslandTractor]

Kenny-

To make sure I understand, does the "3rd rear SCV kit" eliminate the need for the WR Long valve kit? In othetr words, if I get the JD 3rd SCV would I not need the WR long kit? If so, what would control the grapple? Would it be controlled with the rockshaft lever?

Correct. The "3rd rear Scv kit" is JD's confusing terminology for "rear remote". If you have a rear remote you can use it to control the grapple and it will only cost the price of a couple of long hydraulic hoses and the matching quick connect fittings (about $100) to get a grapple operational. You would not need the WRLong kit in that scenario.

However, as the "3rd rear SCV kit" costs about $400 the difference in price is negligible when compared to the WRLong kit.

What makes the most sense is to get the kit factory installed for $329 or so. As then there is no extra labor to install either the rear remote kit or the WR Long kit. If someone has a tractor with the rear remote already installed, it would take me only about fifteen minutes, with the appropriate hoses, fittings, and a handful of zipties to get a grapple operational. Installing either the rear remote kit or the WRLong kit is at least an afternoon's work.

 

[jmt1271]

Correct. The "3rd rear Scv kit" is JD's confusing terminology for "rear remote". If you have a rear remote you can use it to control the grapple and it will only cost the price of a couple of long hydraulic hoses and the matching quick connect fittings (about $100) to get a grapple operational. You would not need the WRLong kit in that scenario.

However, as the "3rd rear SCV kit" costs about $400 the difference in price is negligible when compared to the WRLong kit.

What makes the most sense is to get the kit factory installed for $329 or so. As then there is no extra labor to install either the rear remote kit or the WR Long kit. If someone has a tractor with the rear remote already installed, it would take me only about fifteen minutes, with the appropriate hoses, fittings, and a handful of zipties to get a grapple operational. Installing either the rear remote kit or the WRLong kit is at least an afternoon's work.

Island-

What kit costs "$329 or so"? I am confused(yet again). In one post they say the JD 3rd SCV costa around $200, then you mentioned it costs around 400, then you said it makes the most sense to get the kit factory kit installed for $329 or so. I am a bit lost.

 

[flINTLOCK]

For convenience of use, the WR Long valve kit and loader rocker switch can't be beat. Open and close grapple without removing your hand from the stick.

 

[IslandTractor]

Island-

What kit costs "$329 or so"? I am confused(yet again). In one post they say the JD 3rd SCV costa around $200, then you mentioned it costs around 400, then you said it makes the most sense to get the kit factory kit installed for $329 or so. I am a bit lost.

Sorry for the confusion. I looked on the JD website and saw that if you order the 3rd SCV when you buy the tractor from the factory they charge $329 (something close anyway). Someone else posted a quote of $400 from the dealer to retrofit the "3rd SCV" (which in most tractor language would be called the first set of rear remotes as the first and second are tied up with the FEL and no other manufacturer counts them...JD's terminology is correct but confusing). I don't know where the quote of $200 comes from but that is too low for even the parts from JD. Maybe you can get the parts from a hydraulic discounter for $200 but not from JD.

 

[kennyd]

Sorry for the confusion. I looked on the JD website and saw that if you order the 3rd SCV when you buy the tractor from the factory they charge $329 (something close anyway). Someone else posted a quote of $400 from the dealer to retrofit the "3rd SCV" (which in most tractor language would be called the first set of rear remotes as the first and second are tied up with the FEL and no other manufacturer counts them...JD's terminology is correct but confusing). I don't know where the quote of $200 comes from but that is too low for even the parts from JD. Maybe you can get the parts from a hydraulic discounter for $200 but not from JD.

Island, I hate to disagree here, but your wrong on the price. I posted earlier in this thread (reply #23) the part # and a price of $211.00 right from the configurator. Not sure where your getting your info from?

 

[kennyd]

Kenny-

To make sure I understand, does the "3rd rear SCV kit" eliminate the need for the WR Long valve kit? In othetr words, if I get the JD 3rd SCV would I not need the WR long kit? If so, what would control the grapple? Would it be controlled with the rockshaft lever?

You can use either the rear remote(3rd rear SCV kit) OR the WR Long valve. I would preffer the WR Long valve so the grapple control is on the joystick, and not on a seperate lever.

When you install the 3rd SCV kit, a lever is added next to the rockshaft lever, this new lever operates the new rear SCV, remote, hydraulic hookup, or whatever else you want to call it.

 

[kennyd]

For convenience of use, the WR Long valve kit and loader rocker switch can't be beat. Open and close grapple without removing your hand from the stick.

Exactly! I agree 100%

 

[jmt1271]

You can use either the rear remote(3rd rear SCV kit) OR the WR Long valve. I would preffer the WR Long valve so the grapple control is on the joystick, and not on a seperate lever.

When you install the 3rd SCV kit, a lever is added next to the rockshaft lever, this new lever operates the new rear SCV, remote, hydraulic hookup, or whatever else you want to call it.

Thanks for the explanation. I know I seem a bit slow on all this, but it is quite confusing with all the redundant terms. Thanks, everybody, for all the help. I plan to get the WR Long kit with options and then the Millonzi 48" grapple. I need to sell my boat to fund all this stuff. Its a nice deck boat with merc V8 if anybody is interested.LOL

 

[SkunkWerX]

Exactly! I agree 100%

I also agree witrh going the diverter route, and I'll add 2 reasons:

1. already mentioned, it's nice to control the switch, grapple, loader, curl all with one hand, it becomes 2nd nature after a while. Reaching down to another lever on either side seems less-than-ergonomic.

2. If you get a nice grapple, then, one day (soon) you will be thinking about Top n Tilt, and/or a hydraulically controlled device on the rear, that's when you spring for the 3rd SCV, to control your rear stuff. And that is where I am right now, I used the diverter, off of my curl circuit, and at such time I want to go T n T, or hydraulic actuated rear implement, my up front plumbing will not need to be re-worked.

Of course, if it were ONLY a money decision, it sounds like you could work the Grapple, a tad cheaper, using the 3rd scv option, but, not a whole lot cheaper.

I vote diverter with switch on the joystick, works great.

 

[jmt1271]

So, if I go with the WR Long kit, and I want to add a hydraulic top link later, I will then need to get the 3rd SCV? Can the Long valve not operate a rear hyd. implement in lieu of the grapple? Just curious more than anything. I was under the impression that I would be able to disconnect the QD for the front plumbing and connect another hose for a rear attachment. It wont change my decision either way.

 

[IslandTractor]

Island, I hate to disagree here, but your wrong on the price. I posted earlier in this thread (reply #23) the part # and a price of $211.00 right from the configurator. Not sure where your getting your info from?

Kenny, I may be wrong but I did get that $329 figure from the JD "configurator" for the 3520. First page where they show the cost of ordering the tractor with or without the 3rd SCV. http://configurator.deere.com/servlet/com.deere.u90947.eproducts.view.servlets.ProductSelectionServlet?userAction=configureProduct&lang=en&country=us&sbu=CCE&category=cceTractors&model=3520%20Tractor&modelID=Model736&baseCode=&futureProduct=false

 

[kennyd]

Kenny, I may be wrong but I did get that $329 figure from the JD "configurator" for the 3520. First page where they show the cost of ordering the tractor with or without the 3rd SCV. http://configurator.deere.com/servlet/com.deere.u90947.eproducts.view.servlets.ProductSelectionServlet?userAction=configureProduct&lang=en&country=us&sbu=CCE&category=cceTractors&model=3520%20Tractor&modelID=Model736&baseCode=&futureProduct=false

Island, all we are doing is confusing the Original Poster...

But, Your link did not work-But you are on page Two, and your $329 is greyed out with a red "X" next to it correct? You need to go to page three "Customize" , then select the "Accessories" tab, then scroll down, you will see the options under Hydraulics...

 

[kennyd]

So, if I go with the WR Long kit, and I want to add a hydraulic top link later, I will then need to get the 3rd SCV? Can the Long valve not operate a rear hyd. implement in lieu of the grapple? Just curious more than anything. I was under the impression that I would be able to disconnect the QD for the front plumbing and connect another hose for a rear attachment. It wont change my decision either way.

Yes, the WR Long can operate a rear attachment-But then you will need long hoses that run from the front to the rear, exactly opposite of what we told you before about using the rear remote to operate the grapple...


You really are getting yourself confused by thinking about this to hard...

 

[jmt1271]

You are right. I am just trying to understand the terminology. Bottom line is that the WR Long divert valve is going to enable me to operate the grapple. Just gotta get everything ordered and get going. Cant wait to have the grapple going. Glad I decided to go with the 48 and Long kit. I didnt think I would be able to get into a grapple set up for $1500. Very cool. I will be able to attack the debris clean up without having to constantly get off and strap the debris into my bucket.

 

[IslandTractor]

Island, all we are doing is confusing the Original Poster...

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Yep, and JD is confusing me. I'll sign off as it appears JMT1271 understands that the WRLong kit will do what he needs.