We All Live In An Orange Submarine

/ We All Live In An Orange Submarine #41  
That's odd, I thought that all modern Front End Loaders were made with a safety latch on the FEL boom cylinders so that they could be locked in the Full Up position. But on the exploded diagram (Messicks) for that LA844 loader, I don't see a part to do that. Do some FELs not have the safety lock?
rScotty
I feel like I've never seen that feature on a modern CUT front loader.... Most have deployable stands built in for keeping the FEL up on the air for quick attach/detach. But I haven't seen a lock in "full up" option for the boom cyls.
 
/ We All Live In An Orange Submarine #42  
Maybe it's an optional part. It fits on the pivot of one (not both) of the loader cylinders and then swings down into position to latch. Usually on the left side, so photos of the right side won't show it.
Anyway, because both of our new TLBs have it, I thought it was on everything now.
Our old Farm tractors didn't have it on their loaders - but they didn't have any safety equipment at all.

Now I wonder if it is a TLB thing?
rScotty

You can see it in the adv. photo here. It's the reddish/orange piece pinned to the LH front loader pvot right below the Kubota Label. Basically a heavy piece of steel in a tubular U configuration. Pull the pin and it swings down to latch around the cylinder rod. The basic idea is probably adaptable to any FEL - or maybe it is sold as a separate part. Might require some work if the cylinders are inverted with rod at the bottom.
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/ We All Live In An Orange Submarine #43  
Something like that would be easy enough to make, if one wanted to lock the loader in an up position.

My Unimogs with the Schmidt loaders have similar hinged setup (both sides) but much smaller.
On those they're only meant to keep the bucket from hitting the ground when going down the road.
 
/ We All Live In An Orange Submarine #44  
My LA1065 loader has it.
 
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#45  
No progress on the busted Kubota, but we have a new neighbor who just bought 25 acres of uncleared land to the south of me. About six or seven is usable, the rest is wetlands which he can't touch.

His access is via an easement which did not survive Hurricane Ian. It looks like a tank trap, lots of really deep holes, rocks, chunks of concrete, basically impassible if you want your car to be usable at the other end - and it is only 300 feet long!

He decided to get a couple of loads of fill (five or six) delivered Monday. I asked him if they were going to grade it and he said no, he would do it by hand.

No, you're not Paul Bunyan, that is a HUGE amount of work to attempt with a shovel, and you won't be able to compact it by hand. (He's an IT guy and has zero idea of what he's getting into, but he's beginning to realize that machinery makes this kind of work SO much easier and faster.)

He spent most of a rather hot day clearing brush by hand, and then our guy with the tractor/submarine showed up and demonstrated what a root rake and even a sick tractor could accomplish and how quickly, just by comparison you know.

New guy called me at about three today from the local Kubota dealer and says his wife is giving him some static about buying a tractor. My wife (a/k/a SWMBO, She Who Must Be Obeyed) said gimme the phone and let me talk to her.

After a very few and very short minutes, his wife *ordered* him to sign on the dotted line. I expect to see his new tractor (2500 series I think he said, but I'm not sure) by Monday.

I told him that "having a tractor" had never really been on my bucket list either, but now that I do have one, it is endlessly useful, kind of like finding an extra $1,000 in your wallet that you didn't know was there. He talked about a used one, and I asked him if he had any mechanical experience (nope) and then asked him if he wanted to tinker or clear land.

People don't buy tractors and implements because they want to own tractors and implements, they buy tractors because they have land to clear, brush to mow, roads to grade, dirt to move and more.

It is like a camera - nobody buys a camera because they want a camera, they buy a camera because they want pictures.

He got the message . . . Kubota owes my wife a sales commission (yeah, right, dream on).

Best Regards,

Mike/Florida
 
/ We All Live In An Orange Submarine #46  
Update . . . he's finally admitting to himself that his tractor is busted right and proper, and he is simply going to have to take it apart. He's not quite there yet, but he's realizing he can't avoid the inevitable much longer.

He's thinking a bent rod, I'm thinking possibly that and a cracked piston. He says it stops smoking (mostly) once it is warmed up, but is still down on power.

It was also determined that the PTO shaft on the gang mower was the wrong one. There was no shear bolt and no slip clutch. The weakest link was the square steel drive shaft inside the PTO shaft, which curled up like a pretzel. I'm astonished the PTO drive in the tractor didn't seem to get damaged, but we won't know that for sure until the new PTO comes in and he puts it on.

He still hasn't been able to remove the rear yoke on the gang mower input, he says he wants to try to save that part. (I don't know why, but it isn't my decision.)

In the meantime, I'm going to take a strong magnet, tie a rope to it and to a length of PVC pipe, and go magnet fishing in that "shallow looking pond". Knowing the history of the property, I'm pretty confident that there is "stuff" down there, some of which probably shouldn't be.


And while we are at it, the neighbor with the big green JD bought a stump grinder from one of the well known accessory manufacturers (or more accurately, importers - it was made in China).

We installed it on his tractor and he was itching to try it out. I said hang on a moment, y'all think we ought read the instructions? Nah, what for? Well it sez here make sure to lubricate all the grease fittings (so I did). Then I got to wondering if there was any oil in the gearbox. Used an unbent coat hangar for a dipstick - and it was dry as a bone. If he'd run it, and he planned to put it to work immediately, it would have been a short, merry, and expensive life.

Real men don't read instructions? This one does.

And Scootr is right, I have no need for a TV with all the local entertainment I'm getting!

Best Regards,

Mike/Florida
The primary instruction for anything is put lube in the gearbox because they are never ever shipped with oil in them from China.
 
/ We All Live In An Orange Submarine #47  
Maybe it's an optional part. It fits on the pivot of one (not both) of the loader cylinders and then swings down into position to latch. Usually on the left side, so photos of the right side won't show it.
Anyway, because both of our new TLBs have it, I thought it was on everything now.
Our old Farm tractors didn't have it on their loaders - but they didn't have any safety equipment at all.

Now I wonder if it is a TLB thing?
rScotty

You can see it in the adv. photo here. It's the reddish/orange piece pinned to the LH front loader pvot right below the Kubota Label. Basically a heavy piece of steel in a tubular U configuration. Pull the pin and it swings down to latch around the cylinder rod. The basic idea is probably adaptable to any FEL - or maybe it is sold as a separate part. Might require some work if the cylinders are inverted with rod at the bottom.
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My New Holland 50 doesn't have them but I bought a pair from Tractor Mike. Since I don't have the fabricating tools or skills, I thought $100 was worth it for safety.
 
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#48  
The primary instruction for anything is put lube in the gearbox because they are never ever shipped with oil in them from China.

I absolutely agree 1,000%. He'd never bought a new one before (every one he'd used wasn't new and had oil in it), and I'd never touched one before, so I read the instructions.

What's interesting is that this thing came with NO instructions. I called the vendor and they said "We don't have any instructions, it is a new product for us.". A couple of days later, a few pages of very poorly translated instructions arrived by e-mail. It didn't mention gearbox oil anywhere!

I told them what had almost happened and suggested that they might put a five cent red tag or sticker on the gearbox filler plug "Add oil before using!" and they said yeah, that might be a good idea but never did it.

Not a lot of people buy more than one of these in their lives, so we aren't likely to hear someone say "well the last one burned up because there was no oil in the gearbox so I'm going to add oil before I use this one".

Unfortunately, it is often necessary to state the obvious, sometimes repeatedly, because sometimes people simply do not listen.

I'm surprised their lawyers haven't gotten to this one, this is a heavy, expensive and potentially dangerous piece of equipment, and some of the risks are not intuitive. Learning about the risks by losing an arm isn't good for repeat business.

My favorite legal disclaimer is on the inside of a Superman cape sold at Walmart: "Warning - garment does not enable wearer to fly."

Best Regards,

Mike/Florida
 
/ We All Live In An Orange Submarine #49  
Not a lot of people buy more than one of these in their lives, so we aren't likely to hear someone say "well the last one burned up because there was no oil in the gearbox so I'm going to add oil before I use this one".
When I buy a new (or a new to me) vehicle, as soon as I back it off the trailer it goes on the lift. Then I check fluid levels, fasteners for tightness, etc., before I drive for the first time.

After 10 years of doing that I'm no longer surprised when finding low fluid levels, improperly torqued lug nuts, and such. Between that and early fluid changes (especially in diffs) it has saved me from numerous breakdowns and/or excessive wear.

Needless to say, the same goes for tractors and implements.
 
/ We All Live In An Orange Submarine #51  
You should offer new neighbor help with operation of tractor. For sure check front axle for oil. If not for forums, i would never checked mine when i got tractor back in 2014. Had 15 hours on it. It has it issues. But only has 120 hours now in 2023. It saves me a lot of time with tiny farm with chains to rip out weeds with fel. but that me being careful.
 
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#52  
As a matter of fact, I have offered exactly that. I told him that when I got my Kubota, the dealer simply dropped it off, handed me the keys and said thank you. No instructions, no cautions, nothing. I said if he'd like, I'd be happy to "preflight" him because tractors can be dangerous and it is very possible to get hurt or killed on one, and I'd hate for that to happen to my new neighbor - and his wife would be very, very ticked at him if he got himself killed . . . I also told him that the manual was not very well written and very unclear in places.

He said OK, and I will follow up with him when the tractor arrives. He signed the deal last Friday and expected the tractor Saturday (the dealer is less than 20 miles away and open Saturday AM). Unfortunately, there was a miscommunication and it still isn't here (Wednesday).


And in other news, the Kubota submarine is still chugging onward on 3.5 cylinders and getting progressively harder to start. I'm worried that he could very well score a cylinder wall and then need not only a rod and piston, but a block or complete engine. It appears that he is determined not to open it until it flatly refuses to run another inch. (NDT is for wimps! I demand DESTRUCTIVE testing!)

He was supposed to take delivery of the correct PTO shaft with a shear bolt and a disc clutch (this time) but I haven't had a chance to talk with him for a couple of days. I'll update as the situation progresses. Right now, he's driving it around, but that engine is sick, sick, sick.

Best Regards,

Mike/Florida
 
/ We All Live In An Orange Submarine #53  
I have to say this has been truly entertaining and astounding to read. Hop on his tractor and tell him to Hold My Beer! and go have some fun with it! Can't hurt it any more...
 
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#54  
New neighbor's new tractor arrived yesterday. I was returning from an interminable meeting involving "federal funds for tech hubs" which we (our econ dev group) are going to ask for but the chances of actually landing it are very, very small, and on the easement to the properties I found a brand new, shiny bright orange Kubota 2610 with a grade box and a bucket and a VERY happy neighbor with a mile-wide smile. Oh yeah, he's tickled!

Two people from the dealership were there and said hello to me and even remembered my name (try that at a car dealership!). They told him he was very lucky to have me as a neighbor because I was an *EXPERT* on tractor operation . . .

No, I am FAR from an "expert" and I know it. While I do have more experience than he does, remember he has zero hours on this thing, and my "experience" absolutely pales into total insignificance compared to many, many of the people here on TBN. After all, Clint Eastwood advised me (alas, not personally) that a man's gotta know his limitations, and who am I to argue with him?

What I will mention to him is - always keep the ROPS bar up, *always* wear the seatbelt, use ear and eye protection, take your time and THINK about what you are doing, don't try to use the FEL as a bulldozer, and go visit Tractor Supply and get a selection of linch pins because they are always falling off. Also get some chains, eventually you will need them.

Keep the bucket low, especially if it is full, "go in" with 2 WD so if you get stuck, you can switch to 4 WD and extricate yourself, if you really get stuck, here is the diff lock lever, step on that, and if you really, really get stuck (and you will), call for help and one of us will come pull you out.

Buy some yellow diesel cans at WalMart, for the amount of fuel you (and I) are likely to be using the difference between on-road diesel and red-dyed off-road diesel is insignificant, and in fact, off-road is sometimes more expensive here - and the vendor's establishment is muddy and nasty so if you save a whole dollar on ten gallons of fuel, it will take you an hour to get cleaned up later.

Future items will be a Pirhana tooth bar, a set of Pat's quick disconnects, and some hooks and clevises for the bucket. He'll also eventually need a mower, but not yet.

And - read the instructions that came with your tractor!!! They aren't real good, but they beat the heck out of nothing. Don't be shy, ask questions. He did say he was familiar with 2WD/4WD because he had a jeep, I said that was a good start (it isn't) but tractors are a whole 'nother game. I'll tell him to get onto TBN in a few weeks, right now, it will be like trying to drink from a fire hose.

His next immediate purchase is a root rake. There's a guy in this area, WAY out in the boonies (cue banjo music) who makes them, and his are among the best, strongest, and well made products I've ever seen - and this is not just my opinion. I've been to his place, and it is a tired, ramshackle old pole barn in the middle of nowhere - this is good because when you buy his products, you are not paying for a fancy building in a high rent district, or for his new Maserati, or helping with his yacht payment. Your money goes to buy materials and pay the guys who make the stuff. He does have some pretty slick plasma cutters and some very good welders (and I am qualified to comment on the quality of the welds).

All good. I'm happy for him. (and he's got the "bucket level" indicator on the FEL, so I'm a bit envious, but not nearly envious enough to write a big check!)

Other neighbor's PTO (with shear bolt and slip clutch) arrived day before yesterday. I'll drop by later today and see how that is progressing. He did say the old yoke from the pretzeled PTO shaft is still stuck on the mower, but I think that now that he has the new PTO he might be willing to cut off the old yoke, which he has no real reason to save.

Speculation department . . . once he gets the gang mower going again and tries to mow, he may discover that while his tractor is marginally OK for light duty fiddling around, it won't have adequate power to operate the mower. Then he will not have a lot of choice about taking it apart and fixing it. We shall see.

Best Regards,

Mike/Florida
 
/ We All Live In An Orange Submarine #56  
Hey Mike,
Just love the way you tell your stories……Sorry you’re from Florida! 😂😂☮️✌🏻

Sorry your from Florida??

I have been to Estacada over 300x in my lifetime, fishing and hunting, that said, I would not trade Florida for Estacada even if you throw in a couple million.
Estacada is full of crack heads, drugs, witchcraft and a few very nice people. I have personally witnessed these whack jobs in the woods while camping & fishing.
Good luck...
 

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