Welcome to my Nightmare!!!!

[CurlyDave]

Eddie:

I agree with Dozernut.

This is really a simple electrical problem. The "no solenoid click" is a big clue. I am betting on a bad battery cable or a bad cable end.

Even a failing battery has enough power to give a solenoid click.

 

[CurlyDave]

Eddie:

I agree with Dozernut.

This is really a simple electrical problem. The "no solenoid click" is a big clue. I am betting on a bad battery cable or a bad cable end.

Even a failing battery has enough power to give a solenoid click.

 

[hilld]

Eddie,

lets narrow down the problem.

First turn on the lights and see if they work, if they work but the engine won't crank, your batteries are ok and you need to look at the starter circuit. If the lights won't come on, you need to look at the battery, battery cables and ground connections to make sure you have juice.

To check the starting circuit, try this. On the starter solenoid, you should have a positive cable coming from the battery, make sure you have battery voltage there be it 12 or 24V. On the solenoid there is a smaller wire coming from the starter switch that will energize the solenoid, make sure it is connected securely. If it is, try cranking the engine over by jumpering from the large wire coming from the battery to the small wire coming from the starter switch, if it cranks, you problem is somewhere in the starter switch circuit. Chase the wires and make sure all the wires are securely connected to the switch. Also check the switch with an Ohmmeter or a testlight to make sure the switch is in good shape.

Hope that helps and good luck.

Derek

 

[hilld]

Eddie,

lets narrow down the problem.

First turn on the lights and see if they work, if they work but the engine won't crank, your batteries are ok and you need to look at the starter circuit. If the lights won't come on, you need to look at the battery, battery cables and ground connections to make sure you have juice.

To check the starting circuit, try this. On the starter solenoid, you should have a positive cable coming from the battery, make sure you have battery voltage there be it 12 or 24V. On the solenoid there is a smaller wire coming from the starter switch that will energize the solenoid, make sure it is connected securely. If it is, try cranking the engine over by jumpering from the large wire coming from the battery to the small wire coming from the starter switch, if it cranks, you problem is somewhere in the starter switch circuit. Chase the wires and make sure all the wires are securely connected to the switch. Also check the switch with an Ohmmeter or a testlight to make sure the switch is in good shape.

Hope that helps and good luck.

Derek

 

[Highbeam]

My international did that to me. It was a powershift tranny and it turns out that there was a well hidden safety interlock that wouldn't let it start with the powershifter in gear. Wiggle the for/aft lever a bit while the key is in the start position.

This is not nightmare stuff. No cherry picker on a loader bucket will be required. This is thorn in the side stuff.

 

[Highbeam]

My international did that to me. It was a powershift tranny and it turns out that there was a well hidden safety interlock that wouldn't let it start with the powershifter in gear. Wiggle the for/aft lever a bit while the key is in the start position.

This is not nightmare stuff. No cherry picker on a loader bucket will be required. This is thorn in the side stuff.

 

[EddieWalker]

Derek,

Thanks, I checked the batteries and had 25 volts. I went to the key and had 25 volts there as well. I then went to the starter and didn't have anything. I put the ohm guage on it and found the wire from the key went to this 50A fuse.

I had power in, but nothing coming out!!!

I also realized what happened.

The hot wire to the alternator lost it's plastic cover and was close enough to the case to make contact when I drove the dozer off the ramps. The contact shorted out the fuse.

This is a picture of what it all looks like. I had no idea it was a fuse, in fact, I just thought it was some unknown assesory that I didn't have to know about. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Eddie

 

[EddieWalker]

Derek,

Thanks, I checked the batteries and had 25 volts. I went to the key and had 25 volts there as well. I then went to the starter and didn't have anything. I put the ohm guage on it and found the wire from the key went to this 50A fuse.

I had power in, but nothing coming out!!!

I also realized what happened.

The hot wire to the alternator lost it's plastic cover and was close enough to the case to make contact when I drove the dozer off the ramps. The contact shorted out the fuse.

This is a picture of what it all looks like. I had no idea it was a fuse, in fact, I just thought it was some unknown assesory that I didn't have to know about. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Eddie

 

[EddieWalker]

For $84 you too can have a new 50A fuse!!! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

To top it off, not only is it rediculous expensive, but it's totally different. The mechanics at Case had to look up the electrical schematics to figure out what is what.

Turns out it doesn't matter. The two big wires gor to either side. It don't matter. The small wires go to the small terminals on either side. Again, it don't matter wich side.

Once the hard part was figured out, it went togeteher real easy. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Eddie

 

[EddieWalker]

For $84 you too can have a new 50A fuse!!! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

To top it off, not only is it rediculous expensive, but it's totally different. The mechanics at Case had to look up the electrical schematics to figure out what is what.

Turns out it doesn't matter. The two big wires gor to either side. It don't matter. The small wires go to the small terminals on either side. Again, it don't matter wich side.

Once the hard part was figured out, it went togeteher real easy. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Eddie