What a Mess!

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yooperdave

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Marinette, WI
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Tool Cat 5600, LS XJ2025H, Branson 4215HC
My rear tire lost its bead and now there is rim guard - beet juice everywhere.
I thought to possibly reseat the bead, I would add some air to the tire. When I went to add air, I could not unscrew the cap. After I turned the cap for awhile, the whole assembly pulled out. The assembly is a plastic insert that sticks into a rubber boot from the tire. I attached a picture.

I initially used a rubber tapered tip on the air compressor so I could try to reseat the bead. After adding some air and jiggling the tractor, I do not hear air excaping anymore for the time being.

How do you formally get air into the tire? The air chuck has nothing to grab onto. The LS dealer hired a new guy who knows nothing about this configuration. I am assuming this configuration was done to get the beet juice in the tire.

Can someone please explain the assembly and what keeps it from shooting out of the rubber boot? Also how to get air into the tire?

TIA

Yooper Dave
 

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Not familiar with what you are showing. Most liquid fill tubeless tire valve stems are two piece units.
similar to this;
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the second picture is the kurled piece in the first picture.
the older style was like this,
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there are "emergency" valve stems that look a bit different;
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The Colby company has several variations of repair type stems that are installed from the outside of the rim.
Colby Valve
 
   / What a Mess! #3  
Sounds like two issues. Issue one was the tire got low or leaked out the air leading to the debead. The second issue is the rubber valve stem used with the Rimguard. Rimguard warns against using rubber valve stems with their product because the beet juice will desolve the glue that holds the metal/plastic insert to the rubber.
 
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Sounds like two issues. Issue one was the tire got low or leaked out the air leading to the debead. The second issue is the rubber valve stem used with the Rimguard. Rimguard warns against using rubber valve stems with their product because the beet juice will desolve the glue that holds the metal/plastic insert to the rubber.
The dealer wants to charge me parts and labor to fix his defect. The glue used to attach the plastic insert has dissolved. The tractor is 4-5 years old. I am expecting the inserts to shoot out when I am plowing snow. The inserts can be readily pulled out by hand with the tractor jacked up. I am old and disabled and do not need this BS.

Yooper Dave
 
   / What a Mess! #5  
The dealer wants to charge me parts and labor to fix his defect. The glue used to attach the plastic insert has dissolved. The tractor is 4-5 years old. I am expecting the inserts to shoot out when I am plowing snow. The inserts can be readily pulled out by hand with the tractor jacked up. I am old and disabled and do not need this BS.

Yooper Dave
I'm not real surprised that the dealer won't do anything toward fixing the problem. Many tire shops have a mobile service truck which can come to your site pump out the Rim guard, break the bead and install new valve stems. They can also bring out more rimguard to replace what you have lost. It will not be cheap. The rimguard product got used for many years before they let it be known about the problems with rubber valve stems. And even the good "steel" ones have o-rings and seals so who knows how they will hold up. I have never been a fan of liquid ballast but some tractor wheels do not have the provisions for bolt on iron and at a buck and quarter or half per pound it does add up fast.
 
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I have the stems like louNY posted. There 14 years old, no leaks.

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To answer your question of getting air into the tire, you need the proper metal valve stem. Was this tractor filled at the dealership?
 
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I'm thinking that the valve stem is a normal rubber stem like in a car tire? Did the ballast react with the rubber so the brass inner stem detach from the rubber when you turned the cap? If you don't have tubes in your tires, the dealer would easily be able to quickly replace the rubber stems with new quality rubber stems without breaking the tire bead. Some import stems rot and fall apart just from age.
 

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