What is wrong with middle aged people?

[atsah]

How interesting. Remind me to never go to Washington state. Down here the VAST majority are very good people. And I have known hundreds of them. I used to be one of them.

Same here.. Must be a bunch of ya-ho's in WA.. Never been there, probably never will..

I like watching "Live PD" "Cops" "Alaska State Troopers".. I have no idea how some of those officers keep their cool with some of the idiots they have to deal with. They know they are on camera but you can tell the natural demeanor of most of those officers, I don't know how they do it..

 

[WVBill]

That has not been my experience. I find cops to be more dishonest than other people that I know. I have a cop in the family and have been to their gatherings (of mostly cops) and there is no way I would trust the majority of them. I am sure there are many that are honest, but NO WAY are the VAST majority of them honest. Maybe majority, but not VAST majority. The family member is a flat out liar.

Are you sure you're not describing the Washington State politicians not the cops?

 

[dragoneggs]

That has not been my experience. I find cops to be more dishonest than other people that I know. I have a cop in the family and have been to their gatherings (of mostly cops) and there is no way I would trust the majority of them. I am sure there are many that are honest, but NO WAY are the VAST majority of them honest. Maybe majority, but not VAST majority. The family member is a flat out liar.

Yikes... while my dataset is small, that surely is not the case for me. I have a relative that works in the Kitsap Sherriff's department on the drug enforcement side of things... deals with a lot of drug low life. He has always been a straight arrow but don't know him well.

Maybe it is the circle of buddies your liar is accepted in?

 

[two_bit_score]

Yikes... while my dataset is small, that surely is not the case for me. I have a relative that works in the Kitsap Sherriff's department on the drug enforcement side of things... deals with a lot of drug low life. He has always been a straight arrow but don't know him well.

Maybe it is the circle of buddies your liar is accepted in?

With Law Enforcement Agencies more than anything else the top command is the key. I've been around a few. If the Chief, Sheriff, Commissioner, SAC or whoever is in charge is not straight then bad hombres will get into the agency. Once that happens and top command doesn't root it out and clean it up then the best thing to do is get as far away as possible. It will get cleaned up and you don't want to be part of it when that happens.

A strong, straight top command will have far ranging effects on morale as well as everyone being clean. I've seen good departments go down the tubes just on morale alone when they lose a strong command and wind up with weak top command. Doesn't have to be corrupt but just weakness and ineffectiveness is almost as bad.


TBS

 

[k0ua]

With Law Enforcement Agencies more than anything else the top command is the key. I've been around a few. If the Chief, Sheriff, Commissioner, SAC or whoever is in charge is not straight then bad hombres will get into the agency. Once that happens and top command doesn't root it out and clean it up then the best thing to do is get as far away as possible. It will get cleaned up and you don't want to be part of it when that happens.

A strong, straight top command will have far ranging effects on morale as well as everyone being clean. I've seen good departments go down the tubes just on morale alone when they lose a strong command and wind up with weak top command. Doesn't have to be corrupt but just weakness and ineffectiveness is almost as bad.


TBS

I think you are on to something there.

 

[Bird]

With Law Enforcement Agencies more than anything else the top command is the key. I've been around a few. If the Chief, Sheriff, Commissioner, SAC or whoever is in charge is not straight then bad hombres will get into the agency. Once that happens and top command doesn't root it out and clean it up then the best thing to do is get as far away as possible. It will get cleaned up and you don't want to be part of it when that happens.

A strong, straight top command will have far ranging effects on morale as well as everyone being clean. I've seen good departments go down the tubes just on morale alone when they lose a strong command and wind up with weak top command. Doesn't have to be corrupt but just weakness and ineffectiveness is almost as bad.


TBS

Yep, that's exactly what I saw during my years in law enforcement. Sometimes you have a chief who is so determined to be liked by the troops that he allows discipline to go downhill and doesn't realize that in the long run he's not accomplishing what he hoped for.

 

[Jstpssng]

^^^^^^
That isn't limited to the law enforcement field by any means.

 

[Bird]

^^^^^^
That isn't limited to the law enforcement field by any means.

You're very right.

 

[MossRoad]

Yep, like trying to be your child's friend when you should be your child's parent.

 

[KubotainNH]

^^^^^^
That isn't limited to the law enforcement field by any means.

Yep, like trying to be your child's friend when you should be your child's parent.

You all hit the nail on the head.