What NOT TO do!!

[Marlowe]

I suspect that you already understand that the loader you bought is way too light duty for the tractor to which it is attached. The 4wd had little if anything to do with the failure. My little 2wd unit will handle near 1000lb. over and over while I ram the bucket into the material I'm wanting to lift, again, over and over. The only bent part on the whole assembly is part of my home made tooth bar, and even that is irrelevant. Most quality attachments I've seen for tractors are overbuilt for the abuse they will likely endure. It's all part of the game. I don't abuse my equipment, but I darn sure use it.

 

[greg_g]

I believe he should look into the implied merchantability of his unit and either have the dealer fix the problem (preferably with a new loader) or refund his money, or check on the price of a new loader and see what the maximum amount he can sue for under the small claim act in his state. If it is for enough I would sue the dealer for the cost of a new loader, put all that has happened in front of a judge including pictures and a detailed account of what he was doing when it broke and possibly if he can get a witness that has a similar tractor with a different loader. Then I would let a small claim court judge make the decision about it.

Absolutely ridiculous. Litigious attitudes like that are part of what's wrong with America today. Dan's already fess'd up to abusing the second loader. Remember - the dealer already replaced/repaired the first one for him. He went right back into the 2nd one with his eyes wide open.

What is your suggestion he should do ?

I figured Dan sounded level-headed enough to sort out his own problem. But if you insist, I'd fix the thing - then sell it to a SCUT owner, and mark the whole experience down as a lesson learned. then I'd use the proceeds to make a downpayment on the right tool for the job.

//greg//

 

[Soundguy]

The biggest catch i see is that if the specs on that bucket/loader are sufficiently low.. then the jobs it can perform will be very low key.. I.E. I don't see a loader with.. for instance, less than 1k# rating.. to be a stump puller.. I see popping out stumps as a warranty voider.. etc. It's size and application. A 80 ton track hoe can dig stumps all day.. and was meant to.. on the other hand.. a tractor that is near the border of scut/cut with a ? light duty? bucket and frame? I'm not so sure that propping it's edge against an immoveable object and then pouring the throttle to it will be very good for the unit.. or the warranty.. .. it may look more like.. uh.. user abuse.

If i was on a jurry ( I know.. small claims won't have this ).. I'd have to take into account that the loader and machine -may- be being used past it's acceptable limit.. and any damage that results, the owner is somewhat responsible for.. perhaps not 100%.. but some reasonable percentage..... just my .02.. I know the 1-arm loader on my old ford 660 from 1955 will dig in and make the rear wheels eventually spin and lug the engine down with absolutely no damage to the tractor or loader... It will also absolutely flatten both front tires trying to lift something. So far I've not managed to pop the relief on that 4gpm/1700psi pump... even lifting round hay bales...something i don't think it was meant for.. especially since it has a low capacity maneuer bucket and tongs on it...that's the only 'cut' I have driven lately with a loader that i can use as a comparison... deffinately not apples to apples.. however.. one would think a modern, double armed loader design would be more robust than a lopsided single arm design from the 50's...

Soundguy

With all the respect I can muster which might not be much. I am going to suggest that if you are worried about his ongoing loader problem then you dont make comments about something happening twice being a customer related issue and instead focus on a solution. My suggestion for a solution has been outlined in previous posts of which my hose example was only a small part of. I believe he should look into the implied merchantability of his unit and either have the dealer fix the problem (preferably with a new loader) or refund his money,
or check on the price of a new loader and see what the maximum amount he can sue for under the small claim act in his state. If it is for enough I would sue the dealer for the cost of a new loader, put all that has happened in front of a judge including pictures and a detailed account of what he was doing when it broke and possibly if he can get a witness that has a similar tractor with a different loader. Then I would let a small claim court judge make the decision about it. What is your suggestion he should do ?

 

[thingy]

This just gets better and better,thingy

 

[greg_g]

This just gets better and better,thingy

Back in your box Richard, or you'll start setting records for how many forums a person can get banned from.

//greg//

 

[JohnS]

If you go to Koyker's website and look at the user manual for the 160, you will get a good dose after reading all the warnings and warrantee. The 160 is on the large size for a 200 series Jinma. Many dealers fit that series with 140s. Both can handle much more than the FEL pictured here.

****!!! I spilled my coffee while typing this!!! There was no warning on the TBN site! Someone is at fault! Someone must pay!

Ok, now I'm off my litigation soapbox. Besides we might as well hit double digits on the # pages on this thread.

 

[gemini5362]

I am sure someone will be happy to point out that i am wrong but if i read the posts correctly the dealer fixed the first loader in exchange for some web page design. My friends that do that charge quite a bit of money to design web pages depending on how complicated a page it is. I would call fixing the loader in exchange for web page design a barter not a warranty fix.

If I read the post correctly he said that he might have abused the first loader but the second loader he said he definetly did not abuse.
Quote "Today guess what. It broke again in the VERY SAME PLACE. These loaders are JUNK. It broke moving a dirt pile around. I know forsure it should not have broke this time."

Exactly what part of that statement made you feel that he admitted he abused the second loader. If you had read all of my post you would have seen that I specificed the problem with the second loader is why I would go to small claims court. I asked greg what his recommendation would be to resolve the problem. If I understand it correctly he would have Dan repair the loader out of his own pocket and then sell something that has broken twice. I personally would not take that advice. Dan would be out the cost of repairs. Dan would probably have to take the loss in value due to the tractor now being used. Dan would be passing his troubles on to someone else to have to deal with. I believe my solution might get dan the money to fix his tractor by letting an impartial person look at the facts and make a decision. In my area it costs 125.00 to file in small claims court. Not much of a gamble in my opinion. Of course I have not seen as much of the world as a retired navy chief so maybe I am a bit naieve.


Quote " Absolutely ridiculous. Litigious attitudes like that are part of what's wrong with America today. Dan's already fess'd up to abusing the second loader. Remember - the dealer already replaced/repaired the first one for him. He went right back into the 2nd one with his eyes wide open."


Personally I have been to small claims court three times won twice lost once. I did feel that it was a better option than taking a gun out in the middle of the street and shooting it out with the other party. If you would like to email me with what is wrong with america I would love to hear that. I feel lucky to be in this country it has been good to me and my family. If I work hard I can make a success out of my life. I also eat a lot better now than I did when I was in the navy, so I am not sure there is anything wrong with america other than people talking how bad it is.

 

[greg_g]

If I read the post correctly...

See - here's the problem. Either you still haven't read the entire topic, or you simply don't understand what you've read. In http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/1022098-post45.html Dan's exact words were "I know I what was doing the second time around was too much for a normal loader. "

I think this particular argument should end now.

//greg//

 

[johnk]

I would be pretty mad if my loader ripped apart because I was in 2wd and pushing mud. It's a tractor for Gods sake. ..It's not like he ran it into a concrete wall. Any person would want it replaced or get their money back. I have seen buckets bent but not arms and braces peeled back pushing mud. Even if he was in 4 WD pushing Hard pack it shouldn't have happened. Not to continue an argument. Just my feelings and opinion. I feel sorry for the guy. Put yourself in that position...

 

[gemini5362]

I know I what was doing the second time around was too much for a normal loader. I was pushing dirt (mostly mud), I was in 2 wheel drive in a large mud hole.

I am going to fix it my self this time and put in 1/4 metal not 1/8" like is on there.

The brackets that hold the tilt ram on just peel off like a tin can.

I thought about selling it but I really like the hydraulics.

The crazy thing is the loader is made in the USA is about the only problem I have had with the tractor.

Dan in an earlier post you said you know that you did not do anything to break it you were pushing dirt in this post you said what you were doing was too much for a normal loader. Do you feel the second loader was broken because you were trying to push to large a volume of mud with it ?
or was this a mistype ?