What NOT TO do!!

SPIKER · Dec 5, 2006

VALLYFARM:

sorry didn't mean to get you defencive there

Like thingy said these are not in the sub cut catagory and are actually in the cut (larger size cut at that) weight in the 4500 lb range with out loader and with back hoe & loader can go closer to 6K lbs sure no where near that ollie but more than capable of yanking around some good sized rocks, logs & tools. I have 6' rock rake, blade and box blade as well as 6' rotary & (under sized tiller & RFM 48" & 5' respectivly) also when I said concrete blocks above they were solid poured concrete footers/peirs. that I was tearing out using the FEL instead of putting on the hoe like I should have.

though I do belive that that single cyl loader wasn't quite up to snuff and if you PUSH/DRIVE into the bucket with it on end/curled 1/2 way it will cause some problems (as demostraated) though a relife valve SHOULD be in the FEL valve which would have let the loader pressure back into the resiviour. There may be a clogged or improprley set relife valve in his system sine this is the 2nd loader (same valve?) prehaps there is a hyd valve problem where it will let too much force/pressure build into the system...

anyhow didn't mean to get anyones panties in a bunch

lol Just kidding...

I do know my damage was due to neglect and I wouldn't doupt that much of the problem in the orriginal post may have also been due to damage. these FELs are not designed for DIGGING dirt/rocks or anything else they are susposed to lift move and or transport loose materials... I've dug gravel out of my creek bottom and also HARD PACKED CLAY as well as those concrete perirs. I'm sure this is reason I sheared off my front wheel shaft because I was in 4wheel drive often. something I learned to NOT do a while back but I still cought myself in 4wheel drive moving packed dirt pile this past week...

Mark M

gemini5362 · Dec 6, 2006

greg_g said:
One bad suggests a manufacturing problem. Two bad ones starts shifting the issue towards a customer problem. Perhaps you've chosen the wrong tool for the job?

//greg//

Greg on my montana I broke a hose on the loader two weeks after I got it. I replaced the hose and then a week later broke another one. I thought that it was something I was doing. a month later I broke a third one doing something fairly light. I noticed that the hoses that came on that loader were 2350 psi and the new ones i was having made were 4000 psi. I talked to montana and they replaced all my hoses with 4000 psi. The new loaders on the montana had 4000 psi hoses. The moral here is that I had three failures in basically the same area and it was a design problem not an operator problem.

I have done exactly what he is talking about popping trees and stumps etc out of the ground. I run my tractor in 4 wheel drive always. Other than a problem with the hoses I have never had any problems with my loader. It sounds to me like it is an design problem.

greg_g · Dec 6, 2006

Don't take this personally, but yours sounds like a dealer problem. He did initially install the loader on your tractor, right? And then subsequently provide you with two more incorrect hoses? So I really don't see how it relates to the original poster who admittedly overstressed his equipment (http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/1022098-post45.html).

//greg//

TobaccoRoad · Dec 9, 2006

The Koyker loader that Chip put on my tractor appears right much stronger than your loader. When you get ready to move up in HP, pick up a Kama from Chip with a Koyker loader. I have enjoyed mine.....

Cheers,
TR

bluechip · Dec 10, 2006

I was at the factory Saturday met with entire new management team. We should have KM554s with EPA engines available for order within a few weeks stay tuned. 5000 employee complex, I'll post some pictures when I get back, (didn't bring the cable.... or a laptop for that matter, I am writing this from hotel computer in Jinan.

gemini5362 · Dec 12, 2006

greg_g said:
Don't take this personally, but yours sounds like a dealer problem. He did initially install the loader on your tractor, right? And then subsequently provide you with two more incorrect hoses? So I really don't see how it relates to the original poster who admittedly overstressed his equipment (http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/1022098-post45.html).

//greg//

One bad suggests a manufacturing problem. Two bad ones starts shifting the issue towards a customer problem. Perhaps you've chosen the wrong tool for the job?

I believe the point I was making was that I had two problems in the same area which was hydraulic hoses. You stated that two bad ones start shifting the issue towards a customer problem. I had problems with my loader breaking hydraulic hoses actually three of them broke but yet it was not a customer problem. It was a design fault that the hoses that were put on the loader were not high enough capacity to do the job.

The point here is that while he might have overstressed his equipment their is a reasonable expectation that the equipment mounted on his tractor should have been able to perform certain functions. The way he was using his tractor might have been a very reasonable expectation of what the tractor should have been capable of doing. The problem might have been a design flaw. The best example I can think of is a ROP if you are driveing your tractor and a sink hole opens up under the tire and your tractor rolls over you have a reasonable expectation that the material and design of the ROP will keep the tractor from crushing you flat provided you are wearing a seat belt etc etc. If the ROP fails because someone used to light a material for the weight of the tractor then that would be a design flaw.

thingy · Dec 12, 2006

That is an excellent way of describing it,understood you perfectlly,,,thingy

greg_g · Dec 13, 2006

gemini5362 said:
I believe the point I was making was that I had two problems in the same area which was hydraulic hoses. You stated that two bad ones start shifting the issue towards a customer problem. I had problems with my loader breaking hydraulic hoses actually three of them broke but yet it was not a customer problem. It was a design fault that the hoses that were put on the loader were not high enough capacity to do the job.

I do not agree that your example represents this issue. There was nothing wrong with your hoses, they were almost certainly installed by a dealer who simply used the wrong hose for the job. If you can confirm that the manufacturer specified that exact hose for that exact application, then I'll withdraw. But so far you haven't convinced me that yours is not a dealer issue.

gemini5362 said:
The point here is that while he might have overstressed his equipment their is a reasonable expectation that the equipment mounted on his tractor should have been able to perform certain functions. The way he was using his tractor might have been a very reasonable expectation of what the tractor should have been capable of doing. The problem might have been a design flaw.

In my view, it's still a matter of using the wrong tool for the job. What's yet to be revealed here is the load/lift rating for that particular FEL. Whereas this once again is a case of self-admitted equipment abuse, it might well be another case of a dealer putting the wrong loader on the tractor. Just because it fit, doesn't mean it was the right loader for the type of work the customer wanted to do with it (obviously).

If the FEL in question was put on a little Cat 0 Simplicity or other SCUT, I don't think we'd even be having this discussion.

//greg//

Gerifalte · Dec 13, 2006

greg_g said:
What's yet to be revealed here is the load/lift rating for that particular FEL.
//greg//

AFAIK his loader is a coldwater, which is rated for approx 1,000 pounds. I have the same loader on a JM284LE and haven't had any problems (yet). I have never tried to pull stumps with it, but I have leveled some pretty compacted rocky soil and the loader performed very well.