What now? Disc won't penetrate
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MMM
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Re: What now? Disc won\'t penetrate
Not sure if your tractor will handle a rockpicker or not. But I guess you could rake them once weeds are cut.
Do a walkaround search for the big rocks, get everyone inside, set you cutter higher and GETRDONE!
Spray with Roundup, or generic equiv and surfactant after. Lawn will be safe to plant well before fall.
Not sure if your tractor will handle a rockpicker or not. But I guess you could rake them once weeds are cut.
Do a walkaround search for the big rocks, get everyone inside, set you cutter higher and GETRDONE!
Spray with Roundup, or generic equiv and surfactant after. Lawn will be safe to plant well before fall.
Sarge
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Re: What now? Disc won\'t penetrate
MMM- Thanks, That's kind of what I was thinking of doing. Got new blades for the bush hog but I think I'll hold off putting them on till after this job is done. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
MMM- Thanks, That's kind of what I was thinking of doing. Got new blades for the bush hog but I think I'll hold off putting them on till after this job is done. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
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Re: What now? Disc won\'t penetrate
You can spray with Round-up or equivelant and then plant two weeks later. The problem with Round-up is that it doesn't kill the broadleaf stuff so if you don't plant promptly or it doesn't come in well a whole new selection of weeds will take advantage of the open space.
But as the proud owner of a log cabin with a beautiful estate-sized lawn, I always offer this bit of unsolicited advice: If I were building a cabin today I wouldn't have one inch of lawn. I would use ivy, ground juniper, natural areas, shrubs, etc. For me (admittedly a part time resident) I'm always mowing the lawn when I'd rather be doing some other project. And given your slope I can think of better things to plant than grass. Just my opinion -- I could be wrong. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
You can spray with Round-up or equivelant and then plant two weeks later. The problem with Round-up is that it doesn't kill the broadleaf stuff so if you don't plant promptly or it doesn't come in well a whole new selection of weeds will take advantage of the open space.
But as the proud owner of a log cabin with a beautiful estate-sized lawn, I always offer this bit of unsolicited advice: If I were building a cabin today I wouldn't have one inch of lawn. I would use ivy, ground juniper, natural areas, shrubs, etc. For me (admittedly a part time resident) I'm always mowing the lawn when I'd rather be doing some other project. And given your slope I can think of better things to plant than grass. Just my opinion -- I could be wrong. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Sarge
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Re: What now? Disc won\'t penetrate
DrRod,, Good advice and believe me everybody says the same thing about having to mow such a big lawn. When I'm done the size will be about 3 acres to be cut /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif. I don't mind, riding my sit'em down mower gives me time to come up with more projects that I don't have time for /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif. Besides I'm use to mowing my parents 2-2.5 acres usually twice a week.
DrRod,, Good advice and believe me everybody says the same thing about having to mow such a big lawn. When I'm done the size will be about 3 acres to be cut /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif. I don't mind, riding my sit'em down mower gives me time to come up with more projects that I don't have time for /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif. Besides I'm use to mowing my parents 2-2.5 acres usually twice a week.
MMM
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Re: What now? Disc won\'t penetrate
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( doesn't kill the broadleaf stuff )</font>
?????????????????? Explain.
It sure does a number on my young trees if applicated without attention to wind.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( doesn't kill the broadleaf stuff )</font>
?????????????????? Explain.
It sure does a number on my young trees if applicated without attention to wind.
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Re: What now? Disc won\'t penetrate
Well, I'm not an expert on this but here's what I think I know.
There are two kinds of plants -- monocots and dicots (short for cotyledon). It relates to the biological structure of the seed. Monocots are basically grasses, corn and stuff without side branches. Dicots are trees and plants with branches. Glyphosate herbicides are made to kill monocots -- they work systemically. I have seen them kill some dicots as well but my guess is its a matter of dosage, luck, whatever.
But Christmas tree farmers are very big on keeping their rows clear. They spray Round-up down the rows and kill all the grasses. But then chickory, sheep sorrel, and lots of other weeds take notice of the bare ground and start to thrive. So they go back through with something else -- my recollection is Goal, Pendulem, and some others.
Some guys use a total burn-down herbicide like Gramoxin(paraquat's cousin) or Scorcher. This is especially favored before planting seedlings.
So that's my understanding of it. My bio classes were long ago and I don't use herbicides on my trees -- I just mow close once a year taking the position that the grass cools the ground and actually provides welcome shade to the smallest trees during the hotest, dryest weather. I have used Round-up down my fence rows and around the barn and found that the grass goes away but the broad leafs move right in.
Maybe someone out there with more chemical experience can build on this.
Thanks,
Rod
Well, I'm not an expert on this but here's what I think I know.
There are two kinds of plants -- monocots and dicots (short for cotyledon). It relates to the biological structure of the seed. Monocots are basically grasses, corn and stuff without side branches. Dicots are trees and plants with branches. Glyphosate herbicides are made to kill monocots -- they work systemically. I have seen them kill some dicots as well but my guess is its a matter of dosage, luck, whatever.
But Christmas tree farmers are very big on keeping their rows clear. They spray Round-up down the rows and kill all the grasses. But then chickory, sheep sorrel, and lots of other weeds take notice of the bare ground and start to thrive. So they go back through with something else -- my recollection is Goal, Pendulem, and some others.
Some guys use a total burn-down herbicide like Gramoxin(paraquat's cousin) or Scorcher. This is especially favored before planting seedlings.
So that's my understanding of it. My bio classes were long ago and I don't use herbicides on my trees -- I just mow close once a year taking the position that the grass cools the ground and actually provides welcome shade to the smallest trees during the hotest, dryest weather. I have used Round-up down my fence rows and around the barn and found that the grass goes away but the broad leafs move right in.
Maybe someone out there with more chemical experience can build on this.
Thanks,
Rod
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Re: What now? Disc won\'t penetrate
There appear to be some misconceptions here about Roundup. I am not an expert, but this is what I do know:
Roundup will kill almost everything, depending on when it is sprayed. Blackberries here in the northwest seem to be the most timing dependent and should be sprayed in the fall.
Roundup works by being taken through the leaves, then translocated through the plant to the roots, which it kills. It may kill other parts, but it is the root kill that seems to do the job. What this means is that you can plant almost as soon as the roundup is dry, because it is not a soil active herbicide. In fact the soil deactivates any that lands on it.
The reason that blackberries should be sprayed in the fall is that earlier in the year most of the stuff in the plant is moving from the roots to the leaves, where the herbicide does almost nothing. In the fall, the plant starts packing food down to the roots for the winter to build up reserves, and the roundup goes along, too and does it's job very well at that time. Grass and many other plants seem to move stuff both ways all the time, so timing with them is not important.
Always use a wetting agent (surfactant) with Roundup or any herbicide & you'll see much better results. Spend the money on the commercial stuff; putting a little detergent in with the spray doesn't do the job.
There appear to be some misconceptions here about Roundup. I am not an expert, but this is what I do know:
Roundup will kill almost everything, depending on when it is sprayed. Blackberries here in the northwest seem to be the most timing dependent and should be sprayed in the fall.
Roundup works by being taken through the leaves, then translocated through the plant to the roots, which it kills. It may kill other parts, but it is the root kill that seems to do the job. What this means is that you can plant almost as soon as the roundup is dry, because it is not a soil active herbicide. In fact the soil deactivates any that lands on it.
The reason that blackberries should be sprayed in the fall is that earlier in the year most of the stuff in the plant is moving from the roots to the leaves, where the herbicide does almost nothing. In the fall, the plant starts packing food down to the roots for the winter to build up reserves, and the roundup goes along, too and does it's job very well at that time. Grass and many other plants seem to move stuff both ways all the time, so timing with them is not important.
Always use a wetting agent (surfactant) with Roundup or any herbicide & you'll see much better results. Spend the money on the commercial stuff; putting a little detergent in with the spray doesn't do the job.
Sarge
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Re: What now? Disc won\'t penetrate
I've started to bush hog down the rain forest and appreciate everybody's advice on spraying. I'm trying to figure out the best way to apply to a large area /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif. I'm looking into a tow behind spray rig from TSC /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Thanks all....
I've started to bush hog down the rain forest and appreciate everybody's advice on spraying. I'm trying to figure out the best way to apply to a large area /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif. I'm looking into a tow behind spray rig from TSC /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Thanks all....
DrRod
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Re: What now? Disc won\'t penetrate
Well, I went to the Roundup web site and didn't find a definitive list of what it kills and what it doesn't (admittedly didn't look too long) but I did find this statement:
"Glyphosate is an indiscriminate herbicide and will damage all green plants..."
So you may be right. But I've been to a dozen seminars on Christmas tress cultivation and each one included a "chemical" session -- which is required to keep up certain permits and certifications. And everyone one of those included a discussion of what to use or mix with Roundup to get rid of the other types of weeds. And I've seen the selectivity work in my own fence lines. So now I'm totally confused.
I'll go back to the website and try to find something definitive after I do some work this morning. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Well, I went to the Roundup web site and didn't find a definitive list of what it kills and what it doesn't (admittedly didn't look too long) but I did find this statement:
"Glyphosate is an indiscriminate herbicide and will damage all green plants..."
So you may be right. But I've been to a dozen seminars on Christmas tress cultivation and each one included a "chemical" session -- which is required to keep up certain permits and certifications. And everyone one of those included a discussion of what to use or mix with Roundup to get rid of the other types of weeds. And I've seen the selectivity work in my own fence lines. So now I'm totally confused.
I'll go back to the website and try to find something definitive after I do some work this morning. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
