What was Kubota thinking?

[Sully2]

When I am pushing snow, and my front tires are spinning 10 inches above the pavement, steering brakes are my only directional control.Greg.

Now Im first to admit that Im not tractor geek.. But it kinda seems to ME that if your front wheels are 10 inches up in the air...you're not getting "full usefulness" out of 4 wheel drive???? Id suggest A LOT of suitcase weights...or a different approach to snow plowing???....

 

[KeithInSpace]

10 inches up in the air...confused

I'm a little confused as well. Seems the "float" would keep the wheels on the ground, although I concede that they still don't do a darn thing unless you actually lift the FEL off the ground (out of float). Had plenty of practice with that. Don't see any point to driving around with the front end propped up in the air.

Snow removal is the second biggest reason people buy SCUT and CUTs and it doesn’t make much sense to me to not have that feature.

Am I missing something? Does any SCUT comes with independent braking of the rear wheels? I honestly don't know, but also don't recall seeing this feature on the Deere 2305 or smallest NH Boomer, the two major competitors to the BX line as I see it.

 

[_RaT_]

I'm a little confused as well. Seems the "float" would keep the wheels on the ground, although I concede that they still don't do a darn thing unless you actually lift the FEL off the ground (out of float). Had plenty of practice with that. Don't see any point to driving around with the front end propped up in the air.



Am I missing something? Does any SCUT comes with independent braking of the rear wheels? I honestly don't know, but also don't recall seeing this feature on the Deere 2305 or smallest NH Boomer, the two major competitors to the BX line as I see it.

Almost all do, the ones that I know do not are Kubotas with HST, at least not in an easily useable way. Kubotas with shuttle or standard manuals have independent braking. Out here, very few people buy tractors for snow removal.

 

[RobertN]

Almost all do, the ones that I know do not are Kubotas with HST, at least not in an easily useable way. Kubotas with shuttle or standard manuals have independent braking. Out here, very few people buy tractors for snow removal.

Wadda ya mean? We had almost a whole inch of snow a couple weeks ago

 

[alchemysa]

I find that to be unsafe, especially when plowing snow around cars , buildings etc. I just cross my left foot over to the brake pedals,

I've never used a tractor for serious Ag work but around my little building projects I too find this setup pretty annoying. The HST (with a big pedal) is awkward when you are picking up or dropping building material and you just want to move an inch or two forward or back over those mounds that seem to spring up everywhere around building sites. It wants to get over that bump and keep rolling before I can hit the brake or reverse! Ideally, in these situations I'd like to have my foot gently on the brake at the same time as my foot is on the HST. With practice that would give me the best control I think. (But I still love having an 'auto' rather than a 'manual').

 

[_RaT_]

I've never used a tractor for serious Ag work but around my little building projects I too find this setup pretty annoying. The HST (with a big pedal) is awkward when you are picking up or dropping building material and you just want to move an inch or two forward or back over those mounds that seem to spring up everywhere around building sites. It wants to get over that bump and keep rolling before I can hit the brake or reverse! Ideally, in these situations I'd like to have my foot gently on the brake at the same time as my foot is on the HST. With practice that would give me the best control I think. (But I still love having an 'auto' rather than a 'manual').

I find you comment interesting. I use the HST quite differently then you I think. If super precise control is needed, I go to low range. In low range the HST has very little creep and it is easy for me to get my foot on the pedal either way (F or R) to stop all roll. I have never had more control of a tractor then with HST. One example is with my post hole auger. When I am on a incline/decline drilling, I hold my postion with the HST pedal and actually move the tractor up or back as the arc changes which happens as the auger gets deeper. It is super precise. My left foot is always ready to stomp on the clutch if I hit a large object with the auger to stop the PTO.

 

[alchemysa]

I have never had more control of a tractor then with HST. QUOTE]

I must admit that my impression of the poor control afforded by the HST in close situations was probably formed in the early days of getting the tractor. Back then it had a badly blocked strainer and the oil flow was terrible so the HST was almost running on air. In fact when I had a heavy load on it would even roll backward when I had the thing in 'forward'! Certainly, since cleaning the strainer, the HST control is much, much better.

 

[Sully2]

Almost all do, the ones that I know do not are Kubotas with HST, at least not in an easily useable way. Kubotas with shuttle or standard manuals have independent braking. Out here, very few people buy tractors for snow removal.

If I DONT have independant rear wheel braking..??...then why do I have TWO brake pedals? ( which "I" always keep locked together anyway)

 

[Sully2]

I find you comment interesting. I use the HST quite differently then you I think. If super precise control is needed, I go to low range. In low range the HST has very little creep and it is easy for me to get my foot on the pedal either way (F or R) to stop all roll. I have never had more control of a tractor then with HST. One example is with my post hole auger. When I am on a incline/decline drilling, I hold my postion with the HST pedal and actually move the tractor up or back as the arc changes which happens as the auger gets deeper. It is super precise. My left foot is always ready to stomp on the clutch if I hit a large object with the auger to stop the PTO.

Same procedure here. LR is "creep" for me and I can move up or back a tiny bit easily. No clutch on a B3030...but if I start to get an auger "stuck"...I just kill the throttle...PTO stops pretty quickly.

 

[_RaT_]

If I DONT have independant rear wheel braking..??...then why do I have TWO brake pedals? ( which "I" always keep locked together anyway)

Almost all do, the ones that I know do not are Kubotas with HST, at least not in an easily useable way. That was the key phrase in my post. You can split the pedals sure, but you have to ride side saddle to use them independently.