When is a Grapple a Tree Shear?

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A dead tree had fallen across the trail.

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First pinch with the Gorilla Grapple at the edge of the trunk.

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Second pinch, a little lower.

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That sheared it. :thumbsup:

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Picked up the sheared off trunk.

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Now we can ride the trail. :D

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Instead of a thread every time you move a tree, maybe this could go in the "Seat time" thread? :)
 
  
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Instead of a thread every time you move a tree, maybe this could go in the "Seat time" thread? :)

I think you missed the point of the thread and why it is here in Attachments.

Have you ever seen a grapple shear a tree?
 
  
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Maybe some pictures of the grapple would help to show how it can be a shear.

44" wide, 32" opening.
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Since I referenced this thread on another thread, I will show the next two pictures taken after the chunk of concrete was pried up out of the spillway.

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I don't think my grapple "'bucket" would have the same results. :)
Of course I beat myself up about "bucket" or "root" but I found the grapple bucket suits my needs simply because I didn't have a smooth bucket.
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I don't think my grapple "'bucket" would have the same results. :)
Of course I beat myself up about "bucket" or "root" but I found the grapple bucket suits my needs simply because I didn't have a smooth bucket.

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:thumbsup: Looks like a good setup.
 
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I'm with ishiboo. We all know you love to post lots of pics. Almost seems like a desperate attempt to start a new conversation in which you can post pics of doing something extremely slow and naming it efficiency?? :)
 
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I'm with ishiboo. We all know you love to post lots of pics. Almost seems like a desperate attempt to start a new conversation in which you can post pics of doing something extremely slow and naming it efficiency?? :)
Yeah, I'm pretty sure my 372 XP is faster at cutting wood and only cost $900.
 
  
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I'm with ishiboo. We all know you love to post lots of pics. Almost seems like a desperate attempt to start a new conversation in which you can post pics of doing something extremely slow and naming it efficiency?? :)
I guess i should have stated in the first post that I don't have a rotating tree shear and the trees are too close together to pull the dead tree out sideways. :confused3:
 

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I can't believe you don't have a tree sheer, or a feller buncher attachment or somethings cool. A 372 XP is a chainsaw.
 
  
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I had a tree shear, but the blade broke so I gave it to my wife's cousin and bought a tree puller.

I don't have or need a chainsaw.
 

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How does anyone get by without a chainsaw?
 

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How does anyone get by without a chainsaw?

I do have a chainsaw and sometimes necessary but that's my last choice of tool to get a tree moved. I had a crew of loggers at my place and I was surprised at how little they used a chainsaw. Seen them work for days and never crank one up so I guess they think like I do. Since I don't cut firewood anymore I use a $150 homelite. My uncle loves his 372 XP shssss I think he sleeps with it.:) at $900 I probably would too.
 

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:thumbsup: Looks like a good setup.

It works ok and my ratchet rake fits it. Ratchet rake is 72" bucket 66" you can still use the grapple when I've got the rake on but sometimes the load is hard to get out of the bucket, hangs on the chains so I try to wait till I finish picking up before installing it.
 

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure my 372 XP is faster at cutting wood and only cost $900.

Nice saw, Lots of power, not too big & heavy. Their department store stuff has degraded.

6-10" trees I do not use a chainsaw to take down, using my PC75UU2 instead, I then hold the tree at waist level and cut it to firewood to save my back.
 

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No, it proves I only need the Versahandler and some attachments. :D <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=453585"/> <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=453586"/> <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=453587"/>
What do you do when that size tree falls across your trail in the woods? I'd like to see the Versahandler deal with the rest of this 42" tree without a chainsaw. image-1543216441.jpg That log alone was about 4,000 pounds maybe more. Not a chance the cool Versahandler could have lifted the whole tree and root ball.
 
  
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What do you do when that size tree falls across your trail in the woods?
I would do the same thing as in the thread starter, with the Gorilla Grapple, it would take several bites to cut through it, since it is bigger.

I'd like to see the Versahandler deal with the rest of this 42" tree without a chainsaw. View attachment 453596 That log alone was about 4,000 pounds maybe more. Not a chance the cool Versahandler could have lifted the whole tree and root ball.
I have only had one tree that I could not pick up. I drug it out of the way and used the fork tips to knock the clay out of the root ball until I was able to take it to the burn pile.
 

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Your gorilla grapple can cut a 20" or larger tree? That must be efficient. I'm guessing the tree it wouldn't lift wasn't nearly as big as the one on the forklift. I have had another tree that wasn't hardly as big at 36", but heavier since it was oak and taller. They were both well over your lift capacity.
 

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I do have a chainsaw and sometimes necessary but that's my last choice of tool to get a tree moved. I had a crew of loggers at my place and I was surprised at how little they used a chainsaw. Seen them work for days and never crank one up so I guess they think like I do. Since I don't cut firewood anymore I use a $150 homelite. My uncle loves his 372 XP shssss I think he sleeps with it.:) at $900 I probably would too.

How did the Loggers work for days without using a chainsaw??? What did they use to fell trees and cut out the logs??
 

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I think, to quote a favorite movie of mine (Cool Hand Luke), "what we have here is a failure to communicate". :)

xfaxman, as to your tree puller picture, I can match that picture with an $18K tractor/FEL and homemade tree puller. :)

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I wanna see video of any attachment "snipping" a 24" tree in two?? I also wanna see video of any attachment yanking a 24" hardwood tree out of the ground and carrying it away??
 

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How did the Loggers work for days without using a chainsaw??? What did they use to fell trees and cut out the logs??
How long did the loggers work with using any machinery? Let alone some cool a Bobcat.
 
  
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Your gorilla grapple can cut a 20" or larger tree?
It could, by taking several small bites. It has over 37,000 pounds of squeeze together pressure at the tips of the tines. It can break 4" thick concrete easily, so it wouldn't have a problem with a tree.

That must be efficient.
No that would be very inefficient.

--------- They were both well over your lift capacity.

I tried to measure the lift at the SSQA, but the crane scale went to overflow at 5,001 pounds.
 
  
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I think, to quote a favorite movie of mine (Cool Hand Luke), "what we have here is a failure to communicate". :)

xfaxman, as to your tree puller picture, I can match that picture with an $18K tractor/FEL and homemade tree puller. :)

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I wanna see video of any attachment "snipping" a 24" tree in two?? I also wanna see video of any attachment yanking a 24" hardwood tree out of the ground and carrying it away??
I am not a logger, I have no need for a chainsaw.

I have no reason to snip a 24" tree in two.

I don't yank 24" hardwood trees out of the ground, I just push them over, and carry them away.

This dead one was over 24":

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It could, by taking several small bites. It has over 37,000 pounds of squeeze together pressure at the tips of the tines. It can break 4" thick concrete easily, so it wouldn't have a problem with a tree. No that would be very inefficient. I tried to measure the lift at the SSQA, but the crane scale went to overflow at 5,001 pounds.
The trees were well over 5,000 pounds. When a hauled off the oak tree I over loaded my 10K trailer and hauled a second load with nearly that much. I would be very surprised if it could push over a healthy 24" tree. I'm sure axelhubs Massy could do it though. Just ask him.
 
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37,000 pounds at the tip? How big is the cylinder on that thing? What is it made for?
 
  
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There is no way. A 4" bore cylinder only generates about 37,700. pounds of force and it isn't pushing straight down. The lift cylinder in your machine is probably larger than 4", and is sure doesn't lift 37,700 pounds. I have used a full sized tehandler, that had a 6" lift cylinder. Unfortunately it didn't come anywhere close to lifting 87,400 pounds. It did lift nearly 50 feet high which was beyond sweet.
 

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How did the Loggers work for days without using a chainsaw??? What did they use to fell trees and cut out the logs??

The same machine most all loggers use a tree cutter. A lot quicker than felling with chain saw. Skidders would gather the trees and take them to the de-limber then drop them at the loader. The loader would place the tree on a cutter located on the same trailer but at the other end from the loader. There it would be cut and ready to load on a trailer. Nobody had to crank up a chain saw. Not good pictures but you can barely see the cut off shear just above the tallest stack of logs. Lots of days they only used 4 men. 1 on the cutter, 2 on the skidders, 1 on the loader. When they had several trailers loaded is when the drivers would take over but the drivers brought their trucks and hooked to the loaded trailers. No trucks with drivers sitting around waiting. Pretty effecient outfit.

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There was a long time between the first fellerbuncher, and when the cross cut saw was retired.
 

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There was a long time between the first fellerbuncher, and when the cross cut saw was retired.

My dad was raised doing the cross cut and set up the circular saw mill wherever the trees were. There's still a few of the areas left around here if you look hard for signs. That hard work might be some of the reason for his longevity he's 85 and still climbing trees for deer hunting. If I can I let the machines do the work:) Just wish I could afford a machine for every situation I might run into wonder how many it would take?
 
  
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If I can I let the machines do the work:) Just wish I could afford a machine for every situation I might run into wonder how many it would take?
For me and my situations on our 80 acres, just one and a lot of attachments. :thumbsup:

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I guess i should have stated in the first post that I don't have a rotating tree shear and the trees are too close together to pull the dead tree out sideways. :confused3:
:confused3: ... I would have just found a likely spot it wouldnt fit thru and pushed thru to break it.
 

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:confused3: ... I would have just found a likely spot it wouldnt fit thru and pushed thru to break it.
I would have bucked it into firewood and hauled out the logs, and then came back for the brush.
 

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For me and my situations on our 80 acres, just one and a lot of attachments. :thumbsup: <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=453659"/> <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=453658"/>
Wait a minute! You have at least 4 machines. Plus one train load of attachments.
 
  
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Wait a minute! You have at least 4 machines. Plus one train load of attachments.
Yep, but this one is the one that I would keep if i could only have one machine.
 

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If you could only have one attachment what would it be?
 
  
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If you could only have one attachment what would it be?
Well that's a hard choice, but since there are still so many cedar trees here, it would be this one:

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I'd pick my grapple. Then I would give the other implements to my Grandpa. Then I could still use them on his smaller tractor.
 

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While I would agree a tree puller is valuable. It might come in a close third to a Grapple.

For me, I'd be aggravated at that type of Tree Puller all the time. Way too hard to get ahold of an object. A jaw type is easier to load and can carry multiple small trees with ease.
 

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While I would agree a tree puller is valuable. It might come in a close third to a Grapple. For me, I'd be aggravated at that type of Tree Puller all the time. Way too hard to get ahold of an object. A jaw type is easier to load and can carry multiple small trees with ease.
It would be fine on a skid steer, but I see how that would be troublesome on a tractor.
 

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It would be fine on a skid steer, but I see how that would be troublesome on a tractor.

Even on a SS, you gotta swing past the tree and then swing into it. V design is so much easier to use. And allows collecting more than one small tree before dumping on the pile.
 
  
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For me, I'd be aggravated at that type of Tree Puller all the time. Way too hard to get ahold of an object
. A jaw type is easier to load and can carry multiple small trees with ease.
I agree if it was on a tractor, but on the Versahandler, with 4 wheel steering and being able to see the jaws from the seat, it is easy to clamp on.

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Just drive forward, turn right when the front jaw is at the trunk and clamp.

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And pull.

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I'd put tractor brake steering against the 4 wheel steering,
 

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Doesn't matter what you hitch it to. It's not as easy to use as a jaw type. What exactly are the advantages of that type puller?
 
 
 
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