Where are these Tractors built?

[rjsmit1]

Re: Where is these Tractors built?

Kubotas are built in Japan. The body of the tractor arrives at the dealer on a metal pallet. The wheels and tires and the made in the USA front end loader are installed by the dealer based on customer selections. It's a very good system.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( JD's and NH's are made in Japan and assembled in Georgia.
Kubota's are made in Japan and in most cases assembled at the dealer. Yanmar is Japan. Cub Cadet, don't know for sure.
Kioti is either Japan or S Korea. JD's over approx 100 hp are still totally US built. Hope this helps. )</font>

 

[Libertine]

Re: Where is these Tractors built?

JTC:

<font color="blue">I'm thankful that we do have the EPA, OSHA and unions (or the threat of unionizing) in the US. (I) can say first hand you would not want to live or work in those conditions (chinese). It reminds me of the conditions in this country at the turn of the century; factories billowing smoke, open sewers, polluted rivers, long working hours... </font>

1) You are thankful that here in the US the government/environmentalists et al have increased the costs of production so much that we can no longer afford to produce the things we consume. Am I understanding you correctly?

2) You're right, I wouldn't want to work in harsh conditions if I can work in easier conditions. Who would? In fact, I'm congenitally unfit to work for someone else. Never have. On the other hand, if I were hungry enough . . .

3) In case you weren't aware of it, 100 years ago a higher percentage of people owned their homes free and clear, for a given age/occupation had to work FEWER hours to earn the necessities of life (excepting only raw farm products), could go anywhere in the world without passports (except Germany). While SOME conditions may have been less desirable, overall, people were freer than today. Of course, you may not place much value on freedom.

4) Regarding "open sewers" you are correct. It has only been within the past 50-70 years that sanitation in urban areas in the US has reached and passed conditions which had existed 1,800 years ago throughout the Roman world and which were lost in the collapse of that civilization.

<font color="blue">I've spent a fair amount of time in Chinese factories and the surrounding country side </font>

Since you've spent time there, what is your prognosis as to the political situation? (I know you're not supposed to discuss politics on this site, but I'm referring to your judgment as to the future based on discussions you have had with your chinese counterparts-assuming they were allowed to discuss such matters).

JEH

 

[Libertine]

Re: Where is these Tractors built?

GreenMtnMan:

You might try temp agencies if you need people for particular projects. You find the person you want and have them sign up at a temp agency who then provides them to you. It's a bit more expensive, but you get what you want, have the ability to fire at will, avoid all the regulatory hassles (unemployment tax, workman's comp, withholding etc. etc. etc.). They can receive "bonuses" directly from you to bring their income up to scale yet are not classified as employees. The temp agency assumes the "employer" status and all the hassle that goes with it. You get the help you need at the price of the temp agencies cut.

JEH

 

[GreenMtnMan]

Re: Where is these Tractors built?

GrimReaper, thanks, maybe I should look into what temp agencies offer. Since I have a very small specialty market niche (QNX operating system work) I figured anyone I would hire would need a few weeks of training effort to be marginally productive. If I could find an experienced person at an agency it would help a lot. Until now I have used my network contacts to find people to help via subcontracting, but when I can't find people I've had to pass on some jobs. It wouldn't hurt to put a standing order in at temp agencies to assemble a list of people to draw from when needed.

 

[JTC]

Re: Where is these Tractors built?

JEH,

Yes, I realise there is an economic cost associated with these regulations but I believe the increase quality of life benifit is worth it. There are many other factors that account for lower Chinese production costs that make environmental and safety law compliance seem minor by comparison (cost of labor, benifits, unemployment insurance, Workman's Comp., cost of capital...). I'm not a tree hugger but no company should have the right to fowl ground water, surface water or air (to a reasonable degree) beyond their property.

By all meaningful measures that I've found, the aggregate US standard of living is much higher than 100 years ago. The statistics I believe are relavent are: disposable income, real GDP and GDP per capita. I don't think the "percentage of people owning their home free and clear" is a relavent statistic to standard of living. I owned a home free and clear about 14 years and 3 houses ago and I guess if I wanted to not have a mortgage then I'd still be living in a 2 bedroom, 1000 Sq. Ft. dwelling. Let's just say I have a lot more equity now than I did then and enjoy the property more eventhough I share ownership with the bank.

Are restrictions on freedom a bad thing? I drink but I'm glad there are drunk driving laws. I don't mind waiting 3 days for a hand gun permit. I'm kind of glad we have passport requirements that keep (or try to keep) the bad guy out of the country.

Chinese society is now probably more open than you might imagine but still way short of US standards. Ten years ago, bribing the right offical was just part of doing business. Now days, they jail and execute corrupt officials. Like I said before, things are changing fast and I think within 10 years they will have some form of elected government.

Jim

 

[TresCrows]

Re: Where is these Tractors built?

"I do know that Deere sends their engineers for overseas duty"---I bet many JD engineers are from Pakistan. All our kids are to busy getting tatooed and pierced and playing Nineteendo to get an engineering degree. I will stick with the Japs.
I cannot wait--well--I will never see--earth reterraformed into a garden, all industry moved off planet into orbiting factories or on the moon. Then we can argue as to whether tractors built in a geosynchronous orbit are superior to tractors in a standard orbit and whether Kubota rockets are better than JD rockets.
Here, I am not PC, I am not TBN PC, I think Kubota is best /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif and I don't like Unions either /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif.
Henro, raise that storm flag high. My patriotism is not defined by the appliances I purchase but by the beliefs I hold true /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif.
Proud to own and drive Kubota and Toyota appliances. It is a global economy and I am confident that these products are as Amurikan and engineered for Amurikan needs as any other equivlent appliance.
J

 

[JohnBoy45]

Re: Where is these Tractors built?

Hi, Kubota and others are building factorys in China. One day all tractors will be built in China. I alway thought that Japan and china didn't like each other but when it comes to money it's a diffient matter.

 

[AndyM]

Re: Where is these Tractors built?

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Hi, Kubota and others are building factorys in China. One day all tractors will be built in China. I alway thought that Japan and china didn't like each other but when it comes to money it's a diffient matter )</font>

The Japanese companies are out to make money the same as the American companies. Even the Japanese see the advantages of ten cent an hour child slave labor!
<font color="red"> (sarcasm implied here)</font>

 

[ragman]

Re: Where is these Tractors built?

yes we are a little off the subject, but I just had to put my two cents in here. I've worked 32 years in the trades, union and non-union. I can tell you this. I'm much better off (and so is my family) with the union. I've seen both sides of the coin, as a hourly worker and as an owner. I wouldn't even consider being in business or working for one unless it was a union shop. By and large the union tradesmen I work with have a work ethic and pride in their completed product that is unmatched by most of the non-union tradesmen I've seen. The added benefit to being union is mandatory continuing education to keep up with the changing technology in todays world. Better educated tradesmen make for a better end product. This directly benefits YOU, the consumer. The unions didn't drive jobs overseas, thats a management response to distract you from the real issue - corporate greed. However, as Dennis Miller says " Thats just my opinion, I could be wrong "/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[BigDave]

Re: Where is these Tractors built?

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( My patriotism is not defined by the appliances )</font>

J,

I would hope not.

I have seen you bring this inference up a couple of times over the past year or so, but please don't think that if myself or any other TBNer who seeks out purposely to buy American made products that we must somehow think that you are un-American for buying what you chose to fit your desires. Afterall we are talking tractors and not some other verboten topic. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

As far as being PC, we just try to prevent flames by acknowledging that tractors have similar capabilities, which is kind of represented by their sales figures. Most of us have only owned one or two tractors, so how can we pass judgement on what is the best tractor? There is no Consumer Reports or Guide for CUTs. Without unbiased reporting, we are on our own. I drove all of the brands, and liked the NH the best, the fact that it was American made or assembled or whatever someone might want to degrade it to was a bonus that made me feel better about paying more money for the best tractor to me. As one TBNer put it - the best tractor is whichever one you purchased . One year later, I still believe that, I would buy my NH all over again without hestitation, unless of course the misses allowed me to go bigger, again with the current selection of tractors out there, NH would win again.

As far as cars/trucks, I've owned a Suzuki, Toyota, Chevy, Ford, Nissan, Ford & Lincoln in that order so my soul isn't clean, but the Fords (& Lincoln) as a group have proved to be more reliable than the foreign trio. I have been impressed with the three Ford products. Out of those three vehicles, there was only one warranty repair and not one out of warranty repair and that represents over 200,000 miles. I still own a Ford & the Lincoln, so more miles are coming. The American products have served me well, better than the Japanese, so sometimes it's more than patriotism, sometimes its for better quality. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

P.S. The Chevy only had one out of warranty problem in the 127K miles that I have owned it, but it was a only $40 repair repair. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif