wedge40
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Well said Paul. Very well said.santacruzer said:
Wedge
Where is "Pats" Quality Control?
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Please people, if you read what I wrote originally, I did not make issue with any one individual, I ordered a product called "PATS QUICK HITCH" (Agri-Supply.com, item #70078) and described what I received. I then asked what other people thought about what the pictures showed. I'm glad that many of you have pointed out the difference in the two products. I also wrote that I was unable to contact Agri-Supply catalog service as they were closed yesterday, but that I would pursue with them who the actual manufacturer is and why are they are calling this "PATS QUICK HITCH".(Looks like a trademarked name as I also mentioned) To Wedge and Santacruzer, If someone is trying to ruin a man personally they would say just that and most likely spout that they were going to spread the word worldwide about this one person. Please reread what I wrote. I took issue with a PRODUCT and the COMPANY NAME used for this product. (Not an individual). Many people here have written that they have ordered from Agri-Supply and been happy. This product was on their website and I ordered it from them. This is why I included Agri-supply in my comments. I am surprised that more of you are not concerned with Agri-Supply obvoiusly misleading the public as I am. Gene (also, as said earlier, I will return these today) and then I will order the actual "Pats Quick Hitch" from this website.
BlacknTan
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Why jump on suncoast??
He's the guy that brought this whole situation to light, and possibly saved many others from buying a poorly made knockoff...
Let's direct our anger to where it is deserved... and that place we just do not know yet. However, I would find it hard to believe that the retailer did not know that this "Pat's" product was not the real "Pat's" product..
We'll see
He's the guy that brought this whole situation to light, and possibly saved many others from buying a poorly made knockoff...
Let's direct our anger to where it is deserved... and that place we just do not know yet. However, I would find it hard to believe that the retailer did not know that this "Pat's" product was not the real "Pat's" product..
We'll see
Bedlam
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This is true Its not suncoasts' doings.
The more I see it and think of it the more I see a difference.
Im surprised 'Pats' hasnt commented yet on this if he even knows yet
The more I see it and think of it the more I see a difference.
Im surprised 'Pats' hasnt commented yet on this if he even knows yet
emmy71
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Flatheadyoungin said:
Got mine at Northern (had a coupon and free shipping) and they were the real thing.
3-Point Quick Change Hitch — Category 1 | 3-Point Hitch Adapters | Northern Tool + Equipment
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Agri-Supply sells another version of Pat's Easy Change. They are mine. I make them. They do have a different look than the gray ones. We came up a design that takes less machine time to try and lower the price. That was what I kept hearing on this board and several others. We worked on this for a long time and had them certified as to weight capacity. Several neighbors have been using them for a year now and have not had any problems with them. Agri-Supply has priced them to sell when you consider that they have the sta-bar included. I am sorry that Suncoast was not happy with the system, but I will be happy to refund his money if he is not happy. They still come with a 30 day money back guarantee and a lifetime warranty. The receiver looks like it is aligned? The set screws are aligned in the picture. If the receiver was crooked the set screws wouldn't align? These are checked several times through the manufacturing process. But with every tractor it is different. With the price of US steel doubling in the last year, it has been extremely difficult to keep our prices the same. We have been doing that and hoping that things will stabilize. Please don't think Agri-Supply is doing anything wrong. They are great people.
It sure looks like we have all found out some very interesting things these last 2 days. I have spoken with Je.....r @ Agri-Supply. And yes, as on the internet item #70078 is called "Pats Quick Hitch" not "Pats Easy Change". What has come to light is we have a person who saw another (The real Pat) devise an idea that was in great need to tractor owners. Our second person thought I can make money off of his idea, and even more if I use his trade name. Agri-Supply gave me nothing but help and was very surprised to find out that they sell an item that is patented by another person. They said they will send me a return label for the UPS shipping. We will see if I get the credit on my card easily (I have also contacted them). I called Northern Tool to ask about their quick hitch (they show the real "Pats" on their web site). They do not call it "Pats". I just have to go see what they have for my own piece of mind. (This is losing me precious time and money) but I am sick of people sucking off of others hard work. As for our dark shadow Pat, your product (at least the one I received) is of very poor quality. NO, the pin did not go through both holes and my tractor arm. One went through both, the other went through neither (Gee, where is the problem)? And no you can't stretch, bend, curve, wiggle and shouldn't beat on a steel pin even if it is only a 1/16" out of line. Keeping the price of a product down I guess means only paint part of the product and leave the spatter on there to rust. I will order from the Real "Pat" this morning! Lets hope Agri-Supply will either change their advertising or put a disclaimer of sorts stating that there is more than one "Pats Quick Hitch" on the market at this time. Rather than pursue the truth, it was sure easy for a lot of people here to throw stones at the wrong window. One last thing, where is this lifetime warranty (not on your box, web ad or paperwork). Gene
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Good to hear from Pat and also Suncoast. I would never have thought there would be two. But apparently there are.
In my opinion, the original ones would be well worth the few extra bucks.I suspect that Suncoast might have gone with the original had he known that there was more than one.
It doesn't seem that anyone was at fault here, except possible the way they were advertised with such a similar sounding name.Thats what bothers me. Too easily mistaken.
Thats Pat for telling it like it is.I am sure that had this been some other company , theres no way we (TBNers ) would have had such a direct response.
I feel a bit better now about Agri-Supply as I have always recommended them.
Sorry for what you had to go through sun for us to learn.
Keep us updated.
Al
In my opinion, the original ones would be well worth the few extra bucks.I suspect that Suncoast might have gone with the original had he known that there was more than one.
It doesn't seem that anyone was at fault here, except possible the way they were advertised with such a similar sounding name.Thats what bothers me. Too easily mistaken.
Thats Pat for telling it like it is.I am sure that had this been some other company , theres no way we (TBNers ) would have had such a direct response.
I feel a bit better now about Agri-Supply as I have always recommended them.
Sorry for what you had to go through sun for us to learn.
Keep us updated.
Al
BlacknTan
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Well, this is an unfortunate situation for everyone involved...
A consumer who bought in good faith and did not receive the product he expected and was understandably dissatisfied. For a retailer who it appears was also acting in good faith and was possibly unaware of the manufacturing differences. For Mr. Greenwell himself, who has spent years building a good reputation only to call his "A"list product into question, and for us all, who in our desire to save a few dollars are willing to throw the American worker who wants to supply his family with a decent living to the wolves and buy a cheap knockoff from overseas.
Lot's of blame to go 'round..
Perhaps Mr. Greenwell should have chosen a different name for the cheaper product so as not to confuse consumers and saved himself much grief in the process... And perhaps we all should look at our buying habits and take a stand against sending our hard earned dollars overseas when the highest quality product is built right here in the good 'ole USA. That wasn't the situation here, but it sure could have been, and it points up the fact just how many times we are asked to make that choice.
Everyone wants to save a buck.. but the quality has to be there, and we need to support our own American workers...
Still the best workforce the world has ever known... and they deserve a quality way of life for themselves and their families...
We're losing our way in the world.. Soon we will not remember how to produce a piece of quality workmanship with everything built to a price...
There's a good lesson here for us all.
A consumer who bought in good faith and did not receive the product he expected and was understandably dissatisfied. For a retailer who it appears was also acting in good faith and was possibly unaware of the manufacturing differences. For Mr. Greenwell himself, who has spent years building a good reputation only to call his "A"list product into question, and for us all, who in our desire to save a few dollars are willing to throw the American worker who wants to supply his family with a decent living to the wolves and buy a cheap knockoff from overseas.
Lot's of blame to go 'round..
Perhaps Mr. Greenwell should have chosen a different name for the cheaper product so as not to confuse consumers and saved himself much grief in the process... And perhaps we all should look at our buying habits and take a stand against sending our hard earned dollars overseas when the highest quality product is built right here in the good 'ole USA. That wasn't the situation here, but it sure could have been, and it points up the fact just how many times we are asked to make that choice.
Everyone wants to save a buck.. but the quality has to be there, and we need to support our own American workers...
Still the best workforce the world has ever known... and they deserve a quality way of life for themselves and their families...
We're losing our way in the world.. Soon we will not remember how to produce a piece of quality workmanship with everything built to a price...
There's a good lesson here for us all.
pitt_md
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santacruzer said:
I sure wish that I had seen all of the posts about having to grind and weld and reshape the Millonzi grapple to make it fit before I had bought one. I could have saved myself a lot of time. If people buy a product and it looks like junk when they get it and it does not fit then by god I for one want to know about it. When you get a great product that works well I want to know that to. This unwritten rule about if you get crap then don't speak of it publicly until you try to get it fixed is lame in MHO. If you get crap tell us. Then let us know how the company resolved the issue. I don't know the first thing about Pat's products I am speaking in general. It goes for everything we as tractor owners use including the tractors.
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