Which engine would you choose?

[Robert_in_NY]

Thanks Chh, from what I can make out there doesn't seem to be much difference in numbers at least I can't see anything major stand out but copy and paste really jumbled those charts up.

Can you post the link to where you found them?

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Conventional wisdom says the 6-banger would be the wise choice based on the big engine works less to produce power theory. The sterling reputation of the Perkins diesel says the 6-banger is the wise choice. Perkins direct affiliation with CATERPILLAR can't be ignored. 6 cylinder engines normally operate smoother than a 4 cylinder.

BUT....

SISU is quickly gaining a stellar reputation. Conventional wisdom of yesteryear has taken a big hit with new technology in diesel engines. Theory is just that. Theory. We can speculate 'till the cows come home. It would take real world, side-by-side comparison to fully evaluate which is REALLY the best choice. Robert, you need to buy ONE OF EACH, then report back in a year.

I seem to recall hearing somewhere that the SISU engines are sort of a Perkins knock off. Anyone know about that?

I did get a set of 4 CD's on the new Massey Ferguson models at the National Farm Machinery Show in Feb. So far, they've never made it out of their jackets. Maybe time to do a little research.

I wish I could buy one of each. But if I did that one would be 2wd and the other FWA. The 2wd would be great for haying and other jobs that I don't need FWA for. But then again that would throw off the trials

 

[chh]

Well I don't know if you can make that out, but they are both on the Nebraska test site. It looks like the 5470 has an edge on fuel consumption over the 5465. I looked at the 5455 and 5460. The head shop mechanic at the dealership I usually use claims the 5400 series overall has a very low rate of warranty claims and that they Dyna 4 trans is pretty much bulletproof.

I went with the 596 because there is 10 grand difference between the 596 and the 5455. But the 5400 series is a much nicer setup than the 500 series.

Link to the Agco listings.
TTL test reports/Case

 

[chh]

Looking farther into the charts fuel consumption for the 5470 is less than the 5465 in pto power charts and higher in the drawbar rating charts.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Thanks Chh, I have the literature on the 500 series also and will look at it also as I don't really "need" all the fancy gadgets in the cab.

 

[chh]

Went to a dealer's open house yesterday. He had his personal tractor back on the lot for sale, a MF 5465 with 1700+ hours on it and a new 5460. I will have to say that they both beat out the 596 in the "creature comforts" area, but I really don't think I could justify one for myself. He was more than willing to sell me either one though .

As a side note there was a Montana rep there that was telling me that they would have a 87?? hp model out in Sept. The 70ish hp one that they had on the lot appeared to be quite a bit better made than I was actually thought it would be. He indicated that Montana was trying to get tractors introduced that would be big enough to run round balers ect.

 

[Trac-Tech]

They're both excellent engines. Sisu is hand built in Finland and obvioulsy Perkins is from the UK. I havent had much to do with the Sisu in recent years, but the 1106 I have. You will find the 1106 around the 115 -120 hp will be a little lower in torque. The 130-135 hp engine is an excellent performer though. I think from all reports a little more fuel efficient. After all it is only a software difference that seperates the two engines. Reliability of the 1106 has been reasonably sound. But have run into the odd issues with ECM's and harness issues. But apart from that nothing too major. My previous experience with Sisu is with 6 cylinder units in MF and Perkins in MF-Landini and McCormick. I also agree with the comments about the Dyna 4 MF, good reliable units and gearbox is very very reliable.
All the best with your hunting.

 

[slowzuki]

Interesting Robert, I looked at a Landini Vision 95 with perkins engine in it on Friday. 20 speed tranny with dual power and power reverser, very nice machine, mostly massey under the skin I'm told.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

My Massey dealer is also a Landini dealer. He gave me literature on the Landini fruit and vineyard tractor but Massey literature on a 100 horse field tractor. I know he didn't give me literature on the Massey vineyard tractor because Massey is in between models right now so he didn't have anything to offer just yet. I don't know if I asked about the Landini in that size. I will ask Saturday though as they are having an open house and are suppose to have a bunch of tractors on hand so I can look them over. I only hope they have a discount on tillage parts that day as I want to fix up my 4-14 MF 82 plow and the bearings alone will cost me $100. I just spent $200 today to repair the International Super Chief 3-14 and don't want to spend too much more on plows

I do know I told him I prefered the Massey Ferguson over the Landini because I didn't want people to think I bought a new tractor from my local New Holland dealer (I think you know why). They said they would paint it any color I wanted if I bought it though (but I like blue the best )

 

[Robert_in_NY]

They're both excellent engines. Sisu is hand built in Finland and obvioulsy Perkins is from the UK. I havent had much to do with the Sisu in recent years, but the 1106 I have. You will find the 1106 around the 115 -120 hp will be a little lower in torque. The 130-135 hp engine is an excellent performer though. I think from all reports a little more fuel efficient. After all it is only a software difference that seperates the two engines. Reliability of the 1106 has been reasonably sound. But have run into the odd issues with ECM's and harness issues. But apart from that nothing too major. My previous experience with Sisu is with 6 cylinder units in MF and Perkins in MF-Landini and McCormick. I also agree with the comments about the Dyna 4 MF, good reliable units and gearbox is very very reliable.
All the best with your hunting.

Thanks for the reply, I know Sisu has a great reputation which is why Agco wanted Valtra (just for Sisu). I think I would be happy with either motor as my tillage work isn't too intense. I was told the 4 cylinder would be better for haying work while the 6 cylinder would be better suited for my tillage work. Since I hay around 100 acres a year and till around 20 I think the 4 cylinder would be the better choice if I go with the Massey.

I did like the idea of the longer wheelbase on the 6 cylinder as I broke my back and the longer the tractor will help smooth out bumps (as well as the air suspension seat). But the difference is only around 5-6" if I recall so it isn't a drastic difference. When the time comes for me to decide I will definitely want to try the Massey as I have heard a lot of good feedback on Massey tranny.

I will say I love looking for new tractors but I dislike paying for them