Buying Advice Which Kioti?

[Hoosier Hay Man]

Buy the 40.:thumbsup: It will work fine on your small acres now and it will be a decent sized utility for the 100 acres later. If you do hay later you will want to add a larger AG tractor either way, but 40HP will be a good start. I love my DK45 and wouldn't have wanted to have gone any smaller. I can run my small square baler when I need to. I have never thought of any of my tractors as having too much HP.

 

[Kiotisooner]

Get the 40. I have a DK50 which is basically the same size, just more HP. I pull a 7.5 ft. 1250lb. flail with mine and it doesn't even know its back there. You won't be sorry. The extra cost for the larger tractor isn't that much when you consider how much more it will get you. :thumbsup:

 

[DiverDarrell]

I have more than likely overstated the amount of dirt i need to move, but it's around the size of 100'X50 and 15' deep on one end going to 1' on the other. I've got a 1.5yd trailer for the garden tractor and one lady who loves to drive her little tractor and is very anxious to get her riding arena done. Most of the dirt will be dragged there with a box scraper while leveling/scraping down the current area. the rest will be scraped up from leveling out 2 or 3 more padock areas, and trailer the 100 or so feet to where they need to be dumped. I'm pretty set on the DK40SE I just need to save up another 5 grand.
This isn't my first go around with tractors. I learned how to drive an 1953 oliver 550 diesel when i was 7 (was heavy enough to push down the clutch, and break, but not both at the same time) and ran a 3pt grader blade and 7' finish mower on it for years and years (grandparents owned a campground). A bunch of my friends were dairy farmers, so at 10 i found my self on a deere 4440 cutting, raking, square bales, spreading poo, and all that other fun stuff. Used an International 2+2 articulated tractor for all the plowing, and things that needed pulling like when I buried the 4440 in mud.
This is however the first tractor that I have ever purchased. I thank you all for your advice, I think the DK40se will be a good fit, and i hope to purchase at the end of January, sooner if the local dealers are willing to negotiate the price a little lower LOL

 

[CowwFace]

I have more than likely overstated the amount of dirt i need to move, but it's around the size of 100'X50 and 15' deep on one end going to 1' on the other. I've got a 1.5yd trailer for the garden tractor and one lady who loves to drive her little tractor and is very anxious to get her riding arena done. Most of the dirt will be dragged there with a box scraper while leveling/scraping down the current area. the rest will be scraped up from leveling out 2 or 3 more padock areas, and trailer the 100 or so feet to where they need to be dumped. I'm pretty set on the DK40SE I just need to save up another 5 grand.
This isn't my first go around with tractors. I learned how to drive an 1953 oliver 550 diesel when i was 7 (was heavy enough to push down the clutch, and break, but not both at the same time) and ran a 3pt grader blade and 7' finish mower on it for years and years (grandparents owned a campground). A bunch of my friends were dairy farmers, so at 10 i found my self on a deere 4440 cutting, raking, square bales, spreading poo, and all that other fun stuff. Used an International 2+2 articulated tractor for all the plowing, and things that needed pulling like when I buried the 4440 in mud.
This is however the first tractor that I have ever purchased. I thank you all for your advice, I think the DK40se will be a good fit, and i hope to purchase at the end of January, sooner if the local dealers are willing to negotiate the price a little lower LOL

WAIT a min here!!! I want to change my vote.. I did not know we had to WAIT if you went with the 40. <grin>!!

But serously, I think it is worth the wait. Dave Ramsey would be proud of you!

Carry on

 

[Coyote machine]

DK-35,

Ok Vince, I may be mistaken when I said the DK-35 could not handle a 72" mower- I was basing my comment on what my dealer had told me about mowers and using them on various size tractors.
Can you address this issue in more depth?
Not trying to hijack here just want more data about what works with which tractor, which I believe to be on topic in this thread.

 

[tulenutn2o]

I would get the bigger machine now and enjoy all that you do with it. It is still a compact tractor size wise, but will have much more capability for the bigger things you will find yourself doing in the future.

 

[Josh61513]

If gear is an option you probably have more than enough $$ for the DS 4110, or even 4510...:thumbsup:

*edit* just saw you listed HST as a requirement, so scratch that!

 

[DK35vince]

DK-35,

Ok Vince, I may be mistaken when I said the DK-35 could not handle a 72" mower- I was basing my comment on what my dealer had told me about mowers and using them on various size tractors.
Can you address this issue in more depth?
Not trying to hijack here just want more data about what works with which tractor, which I believe to be on topic in this thread.

I can tell you what I run on my DK 35
6' rototiller
6' brush mower
7' rear finish mower
6' boxblade
7' rear blade
7' front snow plow
8 1/2' backhoe with a 12", 18" and a 36" bucket.
My 35 handles all the above implements very well.

 

[PA hayseed]

I've seen some numbers thrown around on this thread, specifically 2750 lift capacity. Just want to make sure no one thinks a 40 is going to lift *AND* carry over a ton. Maybe on a test track in the kioti factory, but not real world.

I have a 45, and I know what it will and will not carry, and it ain't carrying 2750. I have probably have around 200+ hours of just loader work time on my tractor, which does not make me an expert by any means. But after that much time, I know what I won't attempt to pickup and carry with the tractor anymore. Tractor in the air too many times.

Any other 40, 45 owners wanna guess what they can actually carry as a load?

I'm guessing 2000-2100 tops. And anything over a ton is moving real slow and real low.

 

[jimmyj]

Here is another vote for the 40 (that you are leaning towards). I have a CK30 and while I LOVE it, if I bought today I would go one step up (that said the CK30 was one step up budget wise when I bought it so I don't regret the buy). The stronger loader would be the deal maker in my book. I doubt I would have to lift as much as 2000 lb often, but I'm pushing the limit of my loader all the time and that's a recipe for a problem I think.

 

[IslandTractor]

Hayseed I have to disagree. The KL401 will lift a lot more than a ton to a "driving" height. You are correct that pivot point lift measurements are not real world but then we don't typically lift very heavy loads to full height either. I think I have lifted boulders weighing pretty close to two tons high enough to move them 100 feet even though the tractor with backhoe mounted was close to lifting the rear wheels. I'll try to remember to measure the boulder dimensions and calculate a weight.

 

[PA hayseed]

Hayseed I have to disagree. The KL401 will lift a lot more than a ton to a "driving" height. You are correct that pivot point lift measurements are not real world but then we don't typically lift very heavy loads to full height either. I think I have lifted boulders weighing pretty close to two tons high enough to move them 100 feet even though the tractor with backhoe mounted was close to lifting the rear wheels. I'll try to remember to measure the boulder dimensions and calculate a weight.

If you lifted and drove a two ton object (4000 lbs) in your 40, I would have to be there to believe it. When I say 200+ hours of loader work, I mean it. I have moved many big things, have skidded some trees that were 2ton+, but never lifted and carried anything anywhere near two tons. When I moved my house, I spent the entire summer doing nothing but loader work. Shale, limestone, topsoil, sandstone boulders, old concrete slabs, old maple trees. Moving cinder blocks and bricks (pallets), masonry sand, portland cement, concrete. Pulling pickup trucks and delivery trucks out of the mud. I am pretty sure I know my tractors limitations. Who knows, maybe my tractor sucks and the hydraulics are bad on it.

Have to get some expert on here for a real scientific answer. http://answers.wikia.com/wiki/How_much_does_a_pallet_of_cinder_blocks_weigh This says over 3k for a pallet of cinder blocks, which I couldn't move. I could only move them once they had some taken off. I Know that the further out you go from the arms the less you can carry. I use QA forks.

 

[PA hayseed]

here is what I found so far.

According to Kioti, the 401 is capable of hauling
Heaped Bucket Capacity 15.88 cu.ft.
15.88 cu.ft is equal to .55 cu yd
a cu yd of gravel weighs approximately:
Link- Answers.com - How much does a cubic yard of gravel weigh
A cubic foot of dry, loose gravel with 1/4" to 2" stones is 105 pounds per cubic foot. So, a cubic yard is that times 27, or 2835 lb. (There are 27 cubic feet in a cubic yard.)

So, when the 401 loader hauls a heaping pile of gravel it is carrying roughly 1400 lbs.

a cu.yd of conrete would weigh about 2 ton, so if the bucket is full you are only carrying about 1 ton at most.

So far, the limitation of bucket size, unless hauling a much more dense material like gold, will keep the hauling to about 1 ton, give or take a hundred pounds or so.

 

[IslandTractor]

I'll have to measure the granite boulder I was referring to and then calculate volume and weight. Just for rough estimates it is about 40"x30"x24". That is about 16.5 cubic feet at 168 lbs per cubic ft equals about 2800 lbs. So that is a bit less than I estimated but certainly more than a bucket of gravel.

I'll check the actual dimensions next weekend.

 

[Josh61513]

If you lifted and drove a two ton object (4000 lbs) in your 40, I would have to be there to believe it. When I say 200+ hours of loader work, I mean it. I have moved many big things, have skidded some trees that were 2ton+, but never lifted and carried anything anywhere near two tons. When I moved my house, I spent the entire summer doing nothing but loader work. Shale, limestone, topsoil, sandstone boulders, old concrete slabs, old maple trees. Moving cinder blocks and bricks (pallets), masonry sand, portland cement, concrete. Pulling pickup trucks and delivery trucks out of the mud. I am pretty sure I know my tractors limitations. Who knows, maybe my tractor sucks and the hydraulics are bad on it.

It's all the in the geometry/loading. The center of mass of a 48" pallet is 24" then you have to add the distance of the fork frame to the pins, the center of mass of a boulder in the bucket is likely much closer to the pins.

How much 3-pt. ballast is required in the Kioti specs to get maximum loader capacity? Do you run out of hydraulic capacity or do the rear tires come off the ground?

 

[IslandTractor]

This is the granite boulder I was referring to. The Kioti not only lifted it but actually yanked it out of the ground where it was buried except for about six inches which stuck up and was a problem for mowing. I had no idea it was this big when I latched it with the grapple and lifted it out of the ground. Note also that it is actually at the tip of the grapple not back near the pivot pins which is relevant to Josh's point.

 

[PA hayseed]

It's all the in the geometry/loading. The center of mass of a 48" pallet is 24" then you have to add the distance of the fork frame to the pins, the center of mass of a boulder in the bucket is likely much closer to the pins.

How much 3-pt. ballast is required in the Kioti specs to get maximum loader capacity? Do you run out of hydraulic capacity or do the rear tires come off the ground?

I believe kioti called for something like 1050 in ballast. Kioti doesn't appear to count filled rear tires, which obviously account for something. I figure with filled rears (lets call it 400 lbs although others say more) a 500+ lb box blade (conservative estimate) and another 200-300 pounds on that. total ballast.

So, having attempted to move large items numerous times, here is my deal. If rear tires come up, add more ballast. More ballast added, tractor tires on ground, pallet wouldn't come up. End of story.

Someone is going to have to prove me wrong here, because I see nothing that says Kioti 40/45 is carrying 3ton. I tried and failed on more than one ocassion.

IT, I am not saying that boulder isn't big, but I got boulders on my property too. They are smaller now as I have been using wedges and shims to break them down. I have some nice 2x3 footers that will be making a wall next warm season, but several of those in a bucket and the tractor is groaning to lift.

What about a dealer? Someone here has got to know the answer. Rick? Michigan? Southeast of Elizabethtown dealer (messick I think)?

 

[PA hayseed]

This is the granite boulder I was referring to. The Kioti not only lifted it but actually yanked it out of the ground where it was buried except for about six inches which stuck up and was a problem for mowing. I had no idea it was this big when I latched it with the grapple and lifted it out of the ground. Note also that it is actually at the tip of the grapple not back near the pivot pins which is relevant to Josh's point.

here is my guesstimate, based on picture of boulder. 2.2k tops, but much more likely to be around 1800. The taper of the rock is what is throwing me off.

Not bad for a 40hp tractor, but not 2 tons.

 

[IslandTractor]

here is my guesstimate, based on picture of boulder. 2.2k tops.

That might be correct but note that the rock is well more than 24 inches out from the pivot pins too. I'd say it shows the loader lifts about what the specs say.

 

[PA hayseed]

It's all the in the geometry/loading. The center of mass of a 48" pallet is 24" then you have to add the distance of the fork frame to the pins, the center of mass of a boulder in the bucket is likely much closer to the pins.

How much 3-pt. ballast is required in the Kioti specs to get maximum loader capacity? Do you run out of hydraulic capacity or do the rear tires come off the ground?

So that I am sure, you think the kioti 40/45 is carrying around 2750?

I feel bad for the OP as I am hijacking his thread.