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[danceswithdirt]

Need a new trailer and cant decide what to go with. Towing with an 08 f350 4x4 srw and the heaviest load is a cat mini ex 304 it specs at 10800lbs. Current trailer is between the fenders, 25ft, twin axle, single wheels, 14000lbs. Thought about tandem wheeled flat deck. But from my understanding even towing empty the total gcvw of truck and trailer isnt legal. Dont have cdls and would rather not have them. Everyone has a different take on the laws its hard to make a call. Last time I weighed the F350 it was 9500lbs. Any suggestions would be helpful.

 

[ramheadjim]

Need a new trailer and cant decide what to go with. Towing with an 08 f350 4x4 srw and the heaviest load is a cat mini ex 304 it specs at 10800lbs. Current trailer is between the fenders, 25ft, twin axle, single wheels, 14000lbs. Thought about tandem wheeled flat deck. But from my understanding even towing empty the total gcvw of truck and trailer isnt legal. Dont have cdls and would rather not have them. Everyone has a different take on the laws its hard to make a call. Last time I weighed the F350 it was 9500lbs. Any suggestions would be helpful.

In Georgia if you are non commercial you dont have to have Cdl"s. If you are using your truck and trailer for business, then you need to stay under 26k or get your Cdl's, it is no big deal to get them. The laws are very confusing about what is required. Some states require a non commercial D/L for private use. I will send you the Regs. if you want them. What do you have in the bed of your truck to make it weigh that much. My 99 3500 DRW Dodge weighes 7500#
I just called Georgia driver services and the lady said even for personal use over 26k you need a CDL, Unless it was built as a RV. Disregard my first sentence

 

[HarleyScooter]

danceswithdirt, The 9500 lbs does sound really high, most the guys with 2011 F250/ 350's are 7500 to 8200 lbs. with fuel and passengers. Looking at the 2011 towing guide a F350 4X4 SRW with a diesel the gcwr is 23500 lbs (3.31 or 3.55 gears) and a 5th wheel towing capacity of 15800, up to 33,000 lbs with 4.30's & DRW . A gas 6.2L has a gcwr of 19000 lbs (3.73's) and 22000 lbs for 4.30 gears. If you have the V-10 I would think it would be somewhere in-between. You can figure out from these numbers and yours, what the max weight of your new trailer can be. Keep in mind for the capacity of your new trailer that you will have around 15% of the weight on the hitch in your bed. I hope this helps.

 

[toolbox5]

They are heavy , my 08 f350 dump at work weighs in at 9800 lbs empty on the scales , it is a diesel .

 

[Diamondpilot]

No way your truck weighs that much. I have had 3 F-350 SRW 4X4 trucks. All have been right around the 7,500# mark with me and 3/4 tank of fuel. Now if you have 2,000# of extras I can see it but my current 06 F-350 SRW 4x4 Crew Cab Short Bed is 7,600#.

Chris

 

[danceswithdirt]

Yeah I know its heavy and it does scale at around 9500lbs. Not sure why its so fat. Does have the 6.4 diesel. I put super springs on it. I do have tools box loaded and back seat usually full with extras as I travel. Even with that I cant see why mine is so heavy but I weigh it all the time.

 

[danceswithdirt]

Any opinions on double jacks versus single on gooseneck trailers?

 

[two_bit_score]

Need a new trailer and cant decide what to go with. Towing with an 08 f350 4x4 srw and the heaviest load is a cat mini ex 304 it specs at 10800lbs. Current trailer is between the fenders, 25ft, twin axle, single wheels, 14000lbs. Thought about tandem wheeled flat deck. But from my understanding even towing empty the total gcvw of truck and trailer isnt legal. Dont have cdls and would rather not have them. Everyone has a different take on the laws its hard to make a call. Last time I weighed the F350 it was 9500lbs. Any suggestions would be helpful.

I'm an ole country boy and not very smart but I'm having a hard time understanding why you need a new trailer based on what you said and that pic.

Nice trailer btw.

Is it because the gcvw is too much and you feel it will require a cdl? Is something wrong with the trailer? Or just want a new one. Nothing wrong with that.


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[CAgnoli]

Just for comparison, my 2011 F250 with 6.7 and 20" wheels plus hard flip bed cover weighs in at 8100 full of fuel.

 

[Morning Wood]

Any opinions on double jacks versus single on gooseneck trailers?

Double would be nice for very heavy tongue loads or uneven load weights. Why exactly do you need/want a new trailer? Just go through the process and get a cdl a license for your setup. Then you don't have to worry. If you want to upgrade you should looks at dual tandem goosenecks. The only other option after 14k gvwr is to pretty much jump to 2 10k axles. You could get 8k axles and a 16k trailer, but it isn't much of a jump and may put you in cdl territory anyway.

 

[flyingcow]

Just curious about your empty weight. Was the weight done at a certified scale? I weigh up 3 or 4 times a day and each set of scales can vary.

 

[powerstroke444e]

I for one understand having a heavy truck it adds up fast when you put stuff in the tool boxes. As for a trailer I like 10k axles with 17.5 singles on them best of both worlds heavy axles and only 4 tires to deal with. Don't get a light trailer just to keep out of the intrernet BS of cdl stuff. If you need on get it not a big deal. Get the right trailer. On all trailers in size your looking at I like double jacks.

Think of it this way why worry about $100 for CDL when you have 100K in equipment and you have worry about what your using or a ticket.

 

[HarleyScooter]

Why worry about a CDL when the truck can not legally tow a combined weight of 26,000 lbs?

 

[danceswithdirt]

That pic is very deceiving. This is an old trailer and needs alot of work. From different angles you could see that the fenders are both bent and rusting and need replacing. Trailer has been painted over looks like three times and badly needs sandblasting and new paint. Deck boards need replacing. And all the wiring is starting to erode and constantly giving a problem, need to be rewired. If I were only using this trailer right near home it would be fine. But I often need it off from home and would rather feel confident that its ready when i am. I could turn it into a restore project but i have to much of those already. At my age (44) a new trailer should last till I'm gumming food and wearing depends with little upkeep.

As far as truck weight, its been scaled at quarries and landfill. I have a ticket on the dash now from landfill with empty weight at 11840lbs towing 12ft carryon dump that weighs 2400lbs. Purchasing a new trailer is a large buy and one i dont want to regret. At these weights I know we are all getting into gray areas. Tandem wheels are more stable towing but pushes you past the gcvw of f350 cdl's or not. Right? 14000lb trailer should be fine with 20% tongue weight on truck, then its just flat deck or between fender. Never had a flat deck and dont like higher center of gravity but fenders do get in the way. Sure would feel good knowing I had 8 tires on trailer instead of 4. Just going thru my options. Thanks for the input

 

[two_bit_score]

You might want to check out Diamond C brand trailers. I've been looking at them and they look good.

 

[Duffster]

Why worry about a CDL when the truck can not legally tow a combined weight of 26,000 lbs?

Because it has nothing to do with what a truck can tow.

 

[Duffster]

Think of it this way why worry about $100 for CDL.

Where can you get one for a $100?

 

[GreatWhitehunter]

The stability of a bp deckover doesn't corralate to a GN deckover. I had a PJ 20+5 GN deckover with a 15600lbs gvw. The trailer was extremely solid and stable with any load I hauled. I had a 12k Case 50 with hammer on it and was able to spin the turntable of the mini 360 while on the trailer without issue. I doubt you need tandem duals with the loads you currently towing.

 

[danceswithdirt]

Greatwhitehunter, I wouldn't consider a bp. Really now down more to going with another GN between the deck or like you a deck over. My 304 cat is near your case at 11,000lbs. What does your trailer weigh? I can load my kubota 7040 or cat 304 so its got enough width. The fenders do sometimes get in the way when loading something like a basket of stone that you want to set over the axles to distribute load. Nice lookin equipment all the way around:thumbsup:

 

[GreatWhitehunter]

Greatwhitehunter, I wouldn't consider a bp. Really now down more to going with another GN between the deck or like you a deck over. My 304 cat is near your case at 11,000lbs. What does your trailer weigh? I can load my kubota 7040 or cat 304 so its got enough width. The fenders do sometimes get in the way when loading something like a basket of stone that you want to set over the axles to distribute load. Nice lookin equipment all the way around:thumbsup:

I wasn't suggesting a BP to you. Deckover BP's don't feel as stable with the higher center of gavity. The GN seems not to have those same physical traits.
The GN was 102" so I could put just about anything on it. It also had almost no load placement issues.

Matt