"Who" makes the kukje motor for TYM T474 - Comparable to Massey Shibaura?

[j3evely]

I have been trying to dig up some information on this online myself but it is misleading / confusing /lacking.
I see it is manufactured by Kukje, do they manufacture this same motor for Cummins? Do they manufacture the same motor for Branson?
I am still in the shopping around stage and have been primarily looking at a Massey 1840 & TYM T474 (and similar but that is what I was narrowed down to).
I am planning to go put eyes on a Massey this week sometime, but from what I understand is they do not have any emission systems such as DEF or DPF. The Kukje motor in the TYM has a DPF, but no DEF - how does this work, is it still comparably reliable to the no emission Massey?

Thoughts & Opinions welcome!

 

[Torvy]

TYM bought Kukje. Kukje owned Branson. So, TYM now owns Branson and Kukje.

My understanding is that Kukje was in a partnership with Cummins in the past and built some Cummins engines. Much of the technology is used in modern Kukje engines.

 

[Torvy]

Kukje

Kukje Machinery is a South Korean company which manufactures tractors, combine harvesters and other equipment under the Kukje brand. It is a subsidiary of Tong Yang Moolsan, another South Korean agricultural manufacturer. Until 2016, it was a subsidiary of Dongkuk Steel, a large conglomerate...

tractors.fandom.com

 

[TractorTYMe]

Which again was an old Onan design they improved upon. Very simple and reliable designed engine. I love mine.......268h with no regen to date.

 

[Yander]

I have been trying to dig up some information on this online myself but it is misleading / confusing /lacking.
I see it is manufactured by Kukje, do they manufacture this same motor for Cummins? Do they manufacture the same motor for Branson?
I am still in the shopping around stage and have been primarily looking at a Massey 1840 & TYM T474 (and similar but that is what I was narrowed down to).
I am planning to go put eyes on a Massey this week sometime, but from what I understand is they do not have any emission systems such as DEF or DPF. The Kukje motor in the TYM has a DPF, but no DEF - how does this work, is it still comparably reliable to the no emission Massey?

Thoughts & Opinions welcome!

I have no experience or knowledge of the Kukje, the Massey Shibaura however, I do. I think that is one of the best motors out there, even up their with Kubota, Yanmar & Iseki. It runs so nice and starts great in cold weather unlike my Iseki did. Do check into the emissions on the 1840, if it is the E series I thought it had DPF (Not possitive) The M series does not. The emissions was handled differently between the M and the E series from what I understand.

I'm not 100% so don't quote me but do look into that more.

Massey Ferguson Compact 1700M Series- No DPF- Montrose Implement

Massey Ferguson Compact 1700M series tractors have no DPF. New engine technology means no maintenance, less cost, no heat buildup. Demo one today!

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[j3evely]

I have no experience or knowledge of the Kukje, the Massey Shibaura however, I do. I think that is one of the best motors out there, even up their with Kubota, Yanmar & Iseki. It runs so nice and starts great in cold weather unlike my Iseki did. Do check into the emissions on the 1840, if it is the E series I thought it had DPF (Not possitive) The M series does not. The emissions was handled differently between the M and the E series from what I understand.

I'm not 100% so don't quote me but do look into that more.

Massey Ferguson Compact 1700M Series- No DPF- Montrose Implement

Massey Ferguson Compact 1700M series tractors have no DPF. New engine technology means no maintenance, less cost, no heat buildup. Demo one today!

www.montroseimplement.com

Thanks, I stopped and checked out a new and used 1835M
The used one had no emissions on it, the new one has a DPF, no DEF though.

Do you know if the 1835 & 1840 are "the same" motor - other than obvious slightly larger size / output?

 

[Yander]

Thanks, I stopped and checked out a new and used 1835M
The used one had no emissions on it, the new one has a DPF, no DEF though.

Do you know if the 1835 & 1840 are "the same" motor - other than obvious slightly larger size / output?

I looked at the 1835M when I was shopping but it was a bit bigger than I wanted. It is a sweet tractor though.

It looks like the 1800s are using the Iseki not the Shibaura. Still a great motor. It looks like they both using the same Iseki. It is a real toss up as to which is a better motor. Both outstanding.

The only thing I would say of the Iseki, in the smaller ones (24hp) they needed a little more glow plug action and you may want to consider a block heater if you are in a really cold region. I heard other MF owners say this also, so I know it wasn't just my tractor. It always started, it just always made you think it might not when it was down under 10 degrees. Never had that with the Shibaura.

Iseki E3FH

turbocharged diesel

3-cylinder

liquid-cooled

 

[Yander]

Add the Yanmar YT235 to your list to visit if you have a Yanmar dealer near you.

 

[FrankJG]

It looks like the 1800s are using the Iseki not the Shibaura.

Yander is right.

I have a Massey 1740M with the Shibaura getting close to 600 hrs, they changed for the Iseki when 1700 series became the 1800 series.

They both seems to be good engines.

 

[arrow]

I have been trying to dig up some information on this online myself but it is misleading / confusing /lacking.
I see it is manufactured by Kukje, do they manufacture this same motor for Cummins? Do they manufacture the same motor for Branson?
I am still in the shopping around stage and have been primarily looking at a Massey 1840 & TYM T474 (and similar but that is what I was narrowed down to).
I am planning to go put eyes on a Massey this week sometime, but from what I understand is they do not have any emission systems such as DEF or DPF. The Kukje motor in the TYM has a DPF, but no DEF - how does this work, is it still comparably reliable to the no emission Massey?

Thoughts & Opinions welcome!

A DPF engine runs at a high rpm (usually around 2,000 for tractors) and once everything is at the correct temperature --- an additional injector mounted between the exhaust manifold and the DPF injects diesel directly into the exhaust system. This creates heat and pressure that cleans out the DPF.
What I like about these engines is that they do not use a common rail injection system. It is still a mechanical fuel injection set up.

DEF is an injection system incorporated into the exhaust to clean up particulates. it is of a urea based fluid and no, it does not come from cow urine.

 

[ptsg]

A DPF engine runs at a high rpm (usually around 2,000 for tractors) and once everything is at the correct temperature --- an additional injector mounted between the exhaust manifold and the DPF injects diesel directly into the exhaust system. This creates heat and pressure that cleans out the DPF.
What I like about these engines is that they do not use a common rail injection system. It is still a mechanical fuel injection set up.

DEF is an injection system incorporated into the exhaust to clean up particulates. it is of a urea based fluid and no, it does not come from cow urine.

Or in case of the Kukje engines in the 2021+ models, they use a electronically controlled exhaust valve that closes and opens as needed to increase the temp of the DPF instead of an additional injector dumping fuel.

Still an easy system to deal with if it happens to create issues.

 

[TractorTYMe]

Or in case of the Kukje engines in the 2021+ models, they use a electronically controlled exhaust valve that closes and opens as needed to increase the temp of the DPF instead of an additional injector dumping fuel.

Still an easy system to deal with if it happens to create issues.

2019+, I have a 2019 and it has this flapper.

 

[ptsg]

2019+, I have a 2019 and it has this flapper.

It may have been implemented earlier on the TYM trators.

 

[ericm979]

DEF is only used on engines over 75hp, where the emissions limits are tighter than under 75hp.

My 4 year old Branson has a low temp continual regen DPF, without the ability to command a regen. It works great for the vast majority but a few people mostly in very cold climates who didn't work their tractors hard enough to get the DPF hot had problems with them clogging. I think they added the ability to command a regen in order to address this.

The engine itself has been around for decades, from Onan to Cummins to Kukje who made it under license from Cummins. They also switched from replaceable cylinder liners to a parent bore block which would be stronger.

Massey still has to meet emissions limits, they're not "no emissions". They have some tech that makes it burn clean enough to not need a DPF or DOC.

 

[ptsg]

The MF 1835 and 1840 does have a DPF on it as shown and explained on this video:

 

[Yander]

Sweet tractor...1800Mseries

 

[Sawyer Rob]

The engine itself has been around for decades, from Onan to Cummins to Kukje who made it under license from Cummins. They also switched from replaceable cylinder liners to a parent bore block which would be stronger.

You better switch that from "stronger" to "cheeeper"!!!

There's a reason why all the bigger diesels (semi's/bigger dozers) have replaceable liners and it's not because they are weaker!

SR

 

[MHarryE]

Switching to parent bore is not for cheaper/lower cost. When we wanted to bump our 4.0 liter to 4.4 liter at Tier 2, one option was to tool up an entirely new block (block casting tooling is very expensive). Another was to eliminate cylinder liners and modify the casting tooling to accommodate the larger bore size. With improvements made to casting material, wear life was no longer considered an issue. It also allowed a stronger block. Since then, Tier 3, Tier 4 Interim, and Tier 4 final have come along and in one of the phases, a new block was designed and that 1.0 liter per cylinder 4 liter that was limited to 107 HP is now a 1.1 liter per cylinder ranging up to 250 HP. A lot of change was put into the crank - rods and mains - to handle the higher loads. And its linerless.

 

[claggstractors]

You better switch that from "stronger" to "cheeeper"!!!

There's a reason why all the bigger diesels (semi's/bigger dozers) have replaceable liners and it's not because they are weaker!

SR

Would also add if fits into the planned obsolescence agenda too. A lot cheaper to replace the sleeves then get machine work done on the block.