Why is green paint so expensive?

[Robert_in_NY]

Hey there Richard, it has been a long time since we have talked. Toss me a PM when you get the time. Take care.

 

[Darla]

The better 5000 series is made/assembled in the US.

Deere is pretty much the last American tractor company left. Yes I'll pay more not just for green paint but to support a great American company and for what I believe is a better product.

I thought this thread was about actual "paint" per the title. Oh well, I still stand by what I said about red paint being more expensive.

Our family has had all sorts of tractors over the years. However, most of the ones that seem to stick around the longest have been Deere and MF. I know that I speak from mostly a farming community, but it's pretty well a myth that JD tractors are far more expensive according to dozens and dozens of farmers and ranchers we know. That myth seems to have been started by JD competitors to help them sell their tractors.

Contrary to what many people may believe, farmers as a group are not exactly dumb people. Further, it is even more off the mark to think that a farmer or rancher is not thrifty with their money. When all things are considered, which include the initial cost, the cost of operation over the years, dependability, and superior resale whenever that time comes, JD tractors are actually not more expensive than the other brands. Quite the contrary, they have proven to be less expensive over the long haul. If you don't believe that, you are calling an entire group of people who feed us stupid. I just don't see where someone who spends a day, week, or even a couple of months looking at tractors, can reasonably crown themselves price experts on the ownership experience of tractors. I think the people who risk it all each and every year for generations have done just a bit of thinking on the subject as well as actual field testing.

I can't say for sure where our JD5425 cab tractor was built, but I was told in the U.S. I did notice that when I was adding wiper fluid today that the tank that holds the fluid was made in Germany. I know that doesn't mean much, nor do I really care. However, after living in a farming community all my life, and now seeing that the original post was saying that JD tractors are "so expensive", I will only say that from my lifelong experience, such a statement is rather naive and simply demonstrates a lack of in depth study in the subject. Again, that stance is founded on my firm belief that the farmers and ranchers of this country are not a stupid group nor a group that is known to throw away money.

 

[dgl24087]

Deere is likely more expensive in the SCUT and CUT end of the market, being that the level of competition there is significantly higher than it is in the heavy ag use tractor, like the 6000 series and up. Another consideration is the "yuppie factor", the consumer who thinks they have to have something just because it is there. Many consumers in this segment are indescriminate as to cost, and buy name without considering that there are many options which are lower cost but equal or greater quality. Deere has somewhat gained the reputation as the BMW or Mercedes of the tractor world. Dealers are savvy to this, and if they are located in one of the growth areas featuring $500k houses on 1-2 acre lots, they are going to take advantage of the situation. I've read posts where the poster has traded up and down in tractor size 3-4 times over the past 5 years because they didn't have a clue as to their needs, buying too much then too little tractor, or vice versa, finally becoming educated enough to make the right purchase. Low and 0% financing also contributes to dealers having to squeeze more from the buyer, I suspect that they aren't getting any breaks on floorplanning APR's.

 

[Darla]

Well, my little tractor is the "baby", and it's something like 80 hp and weighs about 10k as it sits. I suppose compared to some it's not exactly small.

 

[patrick_g]

Patrick have you talked to someone from scotland.

Aye laddie! A challenge for sure.

The ones I talked to when in London were not so much more difficult to understand than some of the English "dialects" I encountered in the British Royal navy ranks. I think they were more "Anglicised" than the typical Scots. I have encountered those that I didn't recognize as speaking English when they were.

So, how is your Farsi?

Pat

 

[turbo36]

Dubuque doesn't make tractors but makes the JD skidsteers as well as the engines that go in many of the compact tractors. The 7000-9000 series tractors as well as combines are made in Waterloo, IA. The planters and other field equipment are also mostly all made in IA. In addition the balers and mower conditioners are made in Ottumwa, IA. The 6000 series tractor is made in Germany. The reason for this is that Deere is a major international company. Germany is where most of the 6000 series tractors are sold. The cheaper 5000 series tractor is made in Mexico because that is where most of those are sold. The other cheaper 5000 series tractor is made in India because that is where most of those are sold. The better 5000 series is made/assembled in the US.

Deere is pretty much the last American tractor company left. Yes I'll pay more not just for green paint but to support a great American company and for what I believe is a better product.

Well said! Now can we close this post?

 

[Z-Michigan]

Deere is likely more expensive in the SCUT and CUT end of the market, being that the level of competition there is significantly higher than it is in the heavy ag use tractor, like the 6000 series and up. Another consideration is the "yuppie factor", the consumer who thinks they have to have something just because it is there. Many consumers in this segment are indescriminate as to cost, and buy name without considering that there are many options which are lower cost but equal or greater quality. Deere has somewhat gained the reputation as the BMW or Mercedes of the tractor world. Dealers are savvy to this, and if they are located in one of the growth areas featuring $500k houses on 1-2 acre lots, they are going to take advantage of the situation. I've read posts where the poster has traded up and down in tractor size 3-4 times over the past 5 years because they didn't have a clue as to their needs, buying too much then too little tractor, or vice versa, finally becoming educated enough to make the right purchase. Low and 0% financing also contributes to dealers having to squeeze more from the buyer, I suspect that they aren't getting any breaks on floorplanning APR's.

This is exactly what I see in my area. I have no question that the farmers who buy big JD tractors are doing so for intelligent reasons, and JD seems to have well over 50% of the local market for farm tractors, maybe even 75% plus. However, around here the JD CUTs cost significantly more than all other brands I've looked at, and while they seem about as good they don't seem to be thousands of $$ better. Locally the profitable "real" businesses that use small tractors, like Christmas tree farms, seem to mostly choose Kubota.

 

[turbo36]

This is exactly what I see in my area. I have no question that the farmers who buy big JD tractors are doing so for intelligent reasons, and JD seems to have well over 50% of the local market for farm tractors, maybe even 75% plus. However, around here the JD CUTs cost significantly more than all other brands I've looked at, and while they seem about as good they don't seem to be thousands of $$ better. Locally the profitable "real" businesses that use small tractors, like Christmas tree farms, seem to mostly choose Kubota.

This statement is absolutely wrong. This spring I upgraded to a 3720 Cab and sold my 4410 to a "real" landscaper with multiple crews that replaced a very worn Kubota. I'm sick of this Deere bashing and think it's gone on for long enough!

 

[Volfandt]

I'm sick of this Deere bashing and think it's gone on for long enough!

Well I'm not knocking JD, even tho I have knocked my local dealership(s) when I was shopping for a new SCUT/CUT. I liked the product, just didn't like the dealers..... That said, in E TN JD's are priced higher than any of the other CUTS/SCUTS. Even the one Kioti dealer within 50 miles of me was priced higher than a comperable Kubota. Thats the facts around here.......

Had the JD's been at least the same price and had any of the 4 JD dealers I tried to work with at least acted like they wanted my business I probably would have went w/JD. As it is I went Kubota and am happy with my tractor. Thats not a knock on JD tractors.....
And ironically, had I went w/ either the 2210 or 4100, I would have ended up with a 100% imported tractor, instead of the BX23 which was assembled in GA, USA.

 

[gemini5362]

Pat my farsi is like my arabic pretty much nonexistent. They pretty much talked me into going over there and working. If they wanted to speak to me they could speak english or I could go home didnt really matter that much to me. I just thank god that what is going on in that part of the world now was not going on when I was there.



One thing I have noticed about this post. A lot of John Deere owners think you have descrated the brand name because you dont pay homage to it.
I know in my postings I was careful to point out that my needs do not dictate me paying the extra cost for a John Deere even though I am assuming they are a very good tractor. I also know that you dont need to have been a farmer that was the tenth generation of farmer to farm your land to be able to make intelligent decissions about tractors. I do not care what kind of knowledge you have. If you go to a John Deere representative and ask him for the best price that he can give you on a certain model of a certain size and with certain accessories. You get his price then you go to another dealers representative and get their best price on a tractor of the same size and same accessories so that you are comparing equivalent tractors. If the other dealers price is less than the John Deere representative quoted you then the John Deere is more expensive. That does not take a lifetime to figure out just basic math skills. I am aware that the John Deere MAY have a better resale value. If you are planning on trading it in and if the person buying the John Deere takes equivalent care of it to another brand that is traded in then the John Deere should have a better trade in value if it cost more. If however the John Deere costs 5,000 to 8,000 dollars more then is it going to get 5,000 to 8,0000 more on a trade in ten years later than another brand such as Montana or Branson or etc. Most posters on here that have not defended John Deere have said that it is an economic decision not to buy the JD and that the price for a John Deere tractor was higher. I have not noticed a poster on here knock John Deere as a brand name they usually have said they did not want to pay a higer price.