Why pay more??

[bp fick]

Still rather confused as to the entire point of this thread. People buy what you might consider to be an over priced to feature ratio tractor for many reasons.

-Location and function of the brakes, HST pedals, and other levers
-Seat position, comfort, ergonomics of all sorts
-Past experience with the brand, comfortability with a brand and its functions.
-Excellent and supportive local dealership network
-Got a deal offered to them on a specific tractor in stock by local dealer
-Killer feature that made that particular purchase worthwhile in their estimation.

Other reasons might be:
-Wife only approved of certain color
-Only certain color matched paint scheme of inside of garage
-Other colors make them nauseated.
-They are color blind and can't see any difference in any of them.
-They were forced to purchase that color tractor because their son was being held hostage by terrorists and were being blackmailed.

Gosh, come to think of it, I have no idea whatsoever why people buy a tractor that another thinks is a foolish, over priced, under featured, poorly equipped machine. I know one thing. Sooner of later manufacturers/sellers who make/sell junk won't be around and then, we won't have to worry about it any more.

 

[pitt_md]

well i actually meant why someone would buy one of the blue, orange, green, or red ones that dont come with standard features like other tractors have over one of the other known colors. Just doesnt make sense to spend the same or more money on something that doenst come with standrd features like other brands.

Maybe they changed things in the last 3 years but when I was looking for a 50hp utility tractor they all came with the ROPS, and drawbar. The Kubota came with telescopic 3PT arms and the JD and NH didn't.

 

[heehaw]

i have a 50 hp an a 20 hp kubota: before i bought either, i looked at every make an model within about 100 miles: the ones that are name brand, an generally have brand loyal customers, were higher priced, the ones that i thought would save me some money, were so close to the same price, i started looking at asking prices of used tractors an it sure appeared to me, that the kubota held its value 10-15 years, much better than the ones that would have saved me 1 or 2k bucks: i am shopping for another small tractor to use mostly for mowing: an am finding exactly the same thing again.
heehaw

 

[tsteahr]

No i dont, i know people who do and also just wonder why you wouldnt want to spend less, about the same or maybe even just a little more and get more features instead of having to pay more in the future for normal stuff like a drawbar a tractor should come with,

Beyond a drawbar, what features are you talking about, specifically? If you can provide some specific examples (models and features) it might be a little easier to understand what you are referring to. Without specifics, the opening question is so vague as to be unanswerable.

 

[wolc123]

The last new tractor I bought was a JD 4120, 4 years ago. Back then, it was tied with NH in cost (TD?40), and, about $1k less than Kubota (GL4330). In almost all measurable performance categories, it outspec'd the NH by a considerable margin (I could have got the NH $400 cheaper but without a quick-attach bucket that was standard on the JD). Had the NH or Kubota offered better specs at a lower price, I may have bought one. I have JD and Kubota dealers within 5 mi, but about 20 to an NH, so NH would have needed to be about $1k cheaper for me to seriously consider just for that reason. I really dont think there are many folks out there who are really "color blind". Most, like I did, will compare specs, features, cost, and other things like distance to a reputable dealer.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

'cuz the brakes are on the opposite side of the hydro petals.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

cause the brakes are on the right, the clutch on the left.

 

[buck12]

Does any tractor come less a draw bar?

 

[bp fick]

Does any tractor come less a draw bar?

You are asking a serious question, right? No. I know of none. 3 pt hitches? yes. Drawbars? optional and/or aftermarket. At least on scuts and cuts.

 

[spruce Deere]

Does any tractor come less a draw bar?

Hmmmmmm.... not to my knowledge, tractor without draw bar..... Come on, Seems like a stretch to me. I NEVER have seen a new tractor minus one. If any tractor brand was as perfect as a tractor could be, TBN would have a PERFECT BRAND TRACTOR owning/operating and buying/pricing discussion forum anyhow. It would be BLUE, orange, green, red, white, darker green, light green, gray, darker red, swirled in color. Price range one dollar per HP, sizes from 1HP to 1 million HP and draw bar standard.

 

[buck12]

You are asking a serious question, right? No. I know of none. 3 pt hitches? yes. Drawbars? optional and/or aftermarket. At least on scuts and cuts.

I was asking seriously. My little Mahindra which I often have read is a third tier tractor has a draw bar. Granddaddy's old deere had a draw bar. After scanning this thread I began to wonder if some tractors were sold without a draw bar. Just curious. I learn something new each time I read this forum and thought maybe I had stumbled upon something.

 

[Bird]

I was asking seriously. My little Mahindra which I often have read is a third tier tractor has a draw bar. Granddaddy's old deere had a draw bar. After scanning this thread I began to wonder if some tractors were sold without a draw bar. Just curious. I learn something new each time I read this forum and thought maybe I had stumbled upon something.

Maybe it was just the particular dealer, but my new 1995 Kubota B7100 came without a drawbar and I later bought one; kind of high priced, too.

And of course, if I were selling New Hollands, as is the originator of this thread, I, too, would wonder anyone would buy other brands.

 

[forester2]

Might there be a different opinion on the definition of drawbar here? Some may call the pin mounted bar under the tractor the drawbar (myself included) and others feel the attachment with mult. holes that mounts across the lift arms the drawbar.

 

[Bird]

Might there be a different opinion on the definition of drawbar here? Some may call the pin mounted bar under the tractor the drawbar (myself included) and others feel the attachment with mult. holes that mounts across the lift arms the drawbar.

You're right, and the pin mounted one under the differential is also called a "swinging drawbar" because on many (not all) tractors, it can be "swung" to one side or the other and pinned in place.

In my case, my little B7100 came with neither. I bought both later. But my B2710 did come with the swinging drawbar.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

After reading some of these posts and what some are saying this is standard and that is not. I am wondering if people see a tractor on a lot and that is what they think is standard while in fact the dealer has ordered the tractor with some options that he thinks most people want. And then there are different models of the same make with the same HP.
Lets call them Economy models and Deluxe models. Now they each come with standard stuff, BUT IT IS NOT THE SAME STANDARD STUFF ON EACH MODEL. I think that sometimes people get thinks confused while they try to compare things.

 

[crashz]

+1 MtnView!

For reference I have been looking at economy HST tractors in the 30 -38 HP range and seem to remember that the new E series from Deere do not come with a draw bar (fixed) as standard equipment and its about a $300-$400 option.

For the orginal poster, I believe the location of the buyer plays a crucial role in tractor purchases. There in Texas, I might find a blue tractor may be the cheapest with all the features I want. Here in New England, I've found orange to be the most economical, including all added features that I require.

 

[jdbnh]

CrashZ you are exactly right. Different places in the country have different things that are popular, but you are right the Deere 3000E series is what people around here see. the E series doesnt come standard with a drawbar, folding rops, some critical dash gauges, and a few other skimpy things. The tractor is not even made by Deere which they claim of course. it is a Yanmar....nothing wrong with Yanmar but dont take someone elses credit....

 

[MDM]

If that is the case, why is new Holland taking credit for Shibaura? Mahindra "takes credit" for Mitsubushi. Bobcat takes credit for Daedong. Massey takes credit for Iseki. The list goes on. I've tried, but I can't decipher this thread at all.

As far as I know, Kubota and Kioti are the only ones who make all of there own stuff and are the only ones not "taking credit" for someone else's machine.

 

[buck12]

Might there be a different opinion on the definition of drawbar here? Some may call the pin mounted bar under the tractor the drawbar (myself included) and others feel the attachment with mult. holes that mounts across the lift arms the drawbar.

I have always thought a draw bar to be the bar mounted under the. Of course I've been wrong before. Actually quite often.

 

[bp fick]

If that is the case, why is new Holland taking credit for Shibaura? Mahindra "takes credit" for Mitsubushi. Bobcat takes credit for Daedong. Massey takes credit for Iseki. The list goes on. I've tried, but I can't decipher this thread at all.

As far as I know, Kubota and Kioti are the only ones who make all of there own stuff and are the only ones not "taking credit" for someone else's machine.

Wow! good writing. You gotta know that the next responder might bring up the reality that even Kubota no doubt farms out a whole bunch of stuff to suppliers and tier 1,2,3, people. But your over all point is very well stated.