Will UAW Strike?

[lilranch2001]

Well....there are always special interests.

Me, I side with the individual on this UAW issue. And not the corporate individual at that. I view the latter as part of the problem.

I’m not even sure of the meaning of any of your post.

Maybe you know what you meant to say….

 

[Torvy]

I’m not even sure of the meaning of any of your post.

Maybe you know what you meant to say….

He means he thinks the union is on the side of the average Joe worker.

Of course, the union is a huge business with over a billion of its own assets.

Fain takes in over $200k in compensation and most of the other 'bosses' exceed $150k. Some pigs are more equal than others.

 

[riptides]

He means he thinks the union is on the side of the average Joe worker.

Of course, the union is a huge business with over a billion of its own assets.

Fain takes in over $200k in compensation and most of the other 'bosses' exceed $150k. Some pigs are more equal than others.

Compared to the c-Suite boys and girls and supporting staff? ROTFL.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Two things can be true. Management is greedy, so is the UAW. There are no heroes

 

[Torvy]

Theoretically, there is a huge difference. If management is doing what it gets paid for, we have better cars at better prices and consumers, employees and stockholders all prosper. If UAW management does what they get paid for, we get more expensive cars with lower quality (company has to save money elsewhere). Stockholders, consumers do worse as will many of the rank and file. UAW management does better as their base pay is indexed to the pay for the actual workers. Other people get laid off, not them.

What if things go badly...management gets the boot...many fewer of those jobs to be had (why they make so much). New management comes in and tries to improve things. If they go badly for UAW management, they stay in place until the next election and still draw their big paychecks. Even if they get 'fired' in the next election, they can still be paid big in other roles (almost impossible to be fired).

 

[riptides]

Theoretically, there is a huge difference. If management is doing what it gets paid for, we have better cars at better prices and consumers, employees and stockholders all prosper. If UAW management does what they get paid for, we get more expensive cars with lower quality (company has to save money elsewhere). Stockholders, consumers do worse as will many of the rank and file. UAW management does better as their base pay is indexed to the pay for the actual workers. Other people get laid off, not them.

What if things go badly...management gets the boot...many fewer of those jobs to be had (why they make so much). New management comes in and tries to improve things. If they go badly for UAW management, they stay in place until the next election and still draw their big paychecks. Even if they get 'fired' in the next election, they can still be paid big in other roles (almost impossible to be fired).

You honestly think a group of individuals making a product wants lower quality products on the market?
That's a question.

 

[Torvy]

You honestly think a group of individuals making a product wants lower quality products on the market?
That's a question.

Not what they want, but what they will get. Actions have consequences, even unintended consequences. Like I said, that money has to come from somewhere. Part of it will be lesser quality parts. Part of it will be more production off shore.

America has some of the best workers in the world. Most of us get more pay when we prove our worth by being productive and/or innovative. Paying more simply for longevity breeds a worker who is just looking to not get fired rather than a worker who wants to excel. Union workers who want to excel quit after a few years and go where they are appreciated. Those who are an anchor never leave.

 

[Pixguy]

You honestly think a group of individuals making a product wants lower quality products on the market?
That's a question.

You've never heard the expression Don't buy a car made on Friday or Monday morning?
Wants to lower quality? Maybe not
Not give a shiite? Oh ya.

 

[hiddentacocatneddih]

Dont buy one built on days end in y and ends in a D or T

 

[MAX-24-Dean]

Not what they want, but what they will get. Actions have consequences, even unintended consequences. Like I said, that money has to come from somewhere. Part of it will be lesser quality parts. Part of it will be more production off shore.

America has some of the best workers in the world. Most of us get more pay when we prove our worth by being productive and/or innovative. Paying more simply for longevity breeds a worker who is just looking to not get fired rather than a worker who wants to excel. Union workers who want to excel quit after a few years and go where they are appreciated. Those who are an anchor never leave.

Exactly what I did, quit the union and started my own company. Best decision I ever made!!! Got a increase in income and was able to take more time off after a couple of years.
It was always frustrating watching some of the "senior" electricians not being able to troubleshoot controls on CNC equipment because they didn't understand theory/physics. Then have to fix what the real problem was on my forced overtime. They would pass the problem on to the next shift or force the lowest senior electrician to work OT because they knew they could.
A fair part of my work ended up contracting my services to the same company I quit. When the plant electricians couldn't figure something out I would generally get a call.