Would you buy an electric truck?

[Grumpycat]

I resent being labeled as an "ignorant EV hater" for pointing out the many shortcomings of these cars. Excuuuse me for not being a fanboy and jumping on the bandwagon of a technology that's not really very practical for a large percentage of the population.

You are the one who laid claim to the description in the reply above.

Home chargers are fine if (1) you don't generally drive very far, (2) you have a single family home with a driveway and/or garage and (3) are willing to put up the $$$ to install a 40A 220V circuit for a charger that will recharge in a semi-reasonable amount of time. What about people who live in apartments, or have to park in the street or a public lot some distance from home? Never mind those who have long commutes.

A man who has a tractor also has an arc welder. A 240V 50A circuit isn't difficult or expensive. Including circuit breaker the parts are less than $50. More of course for longer runs. However 2ga service entrance 3 conductor wire is $1.40/foot. An EV does not use neutral.

Even this super charger network leaves a lot to be desired. My guess is that it's gonna be a long time before these exist any distance away from an interstate. Also, having to hang around for the better part of an hour for a (partial) recharge is going to get old fast.

Keep guessing, stay ignorant. Or look to https://www.tesla.com/findus, or my favorite supercharge.info which says there are 865 Supercharger sites operational in the USA, 51 actively under construction, and 84 known to have open building permits. Most sites have at least 8 charging bays.

I've never seen a WM that sold gas, some Sam's Clubs do, but it's members only.

Around here every new Walmart built the past 10 years or more has a gas station. Every Walmart Neighborhood Store. Usually the best price. Gas as good as any, better than what I found at Kroger.

I agree that a hybrid is much more practical than an EV, and IMHO will remain so for quite a while to come. No they're not "cool" anymore, but the technology is mature and it does the job, especially now that it's being incorporated in "normal" vehicles and not just in vehicles targeted at the greenies.

Drove a Prius for 7 years. Liked most everything but the suspension.

Everything is not always a bottom line cost decision. I have never claimed my Tesla is saving money or Saving The Planet. Is more fun than a Corvette or Mercedes S-class. For a modest cost I can install PV solar to make my own fuel. The closest I could come to that would be to brew biodiesel which requires purchase and disposal of filters, methanol, and other nasty things.

Can't speak for others, but I've found the trip computer on my Jeep to be reasonably accurate over the long term.

Prius Fool Computer was rarely off by more than 4%. If it said 52 MPG then miles divided by gallons was rarely less than 50, sometimes it was more because it is difficult to fill a Prius to exactly the same level time after time. Gas tank is an expanding bladder. Fool computer in Mercedes-Benz and F-250 Powerstroke were 5% to 20% high at random. Current Subaru and F-150 are not so bad, usually 8% high.

 

[Grumpycat]

actually i was not. Someone commented about the ridiculous price to replace batteries. You commented back that its no different than replacing an engine every 10 years...at least thats what i got out of it. You basically have 3 years left of your warranty on battery. When those go they go fast. You may not need a new battery system in 3 years, who knows. But if you do its going to be spendy. Electric cars will fit alot of peoples situations just fine. Not mine. I tow a 30 foot horse trailer with a 1 ton truck. Im not about to spend a small fortune on a big rig electric vehicle. If i lived in a city and drove to work, food and home i would probably love an electric vehicle.

And again you demonstrate you are reading what you want to hear not what was written.

Lithium batteries degrade 5% fairly fast then stay there for thousands of charge/discharge cycles. You think what you know of lead-acid starter batteries applies because "batteries".

I'm on my 2nd AGM 12V battery in the Tesla.

I have never claimed EVs will save the planet, are for everyone, or a break-even proposition. You are reading that into it. Am saying it is not what you claim it to be.

Who ever thought windmills would be replaced with a PV panel and electric pump for watering cattle?

 

[grsthegreat]

And again you demonstrate you are reading what you want to hear not what was written.

Lithium batteries degrade 5% fairly fast then stay there for thousands of charge/discharge cycles. You think what you know of lead-acid starter batteries applies because "batteries".

I'm on my 2nd AGM 12V battery in the Tesla.

I have never claimed EVs will save the planet, are for everyone, or a break-even proposition. You are reading that into it. Am saying it is not what you claim it to be.

Who ever thought windmills would be replaced with a PV panel and electric pump for watering cattle?

you keep reading things into what im saying....not the other way around. Man, im done with it. Hope ta love your tesla. I know ill never own one.

 

[strantor]

Drove a Prius for 7 years. Liked most everything but the suspension.

What?! The suspension was one of my favorite things about my Prius LOL. I was a service tech who should have been driving a truck, but couldn't afford the fuel. Before the prius I was driving a corolla and the trunk full of tools had the rear end squatted so far that you couldn't see the tops of the tires. When I moved it all into the prius, you couldn't even tell that I had more than a couple of adult passengers back there.

The prius was a great car, just so emasculating to drive it. I might buy another one some day.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

My daughter said she hated driving the Leaf. Last night see wanted the info off of the title so she could go online and add it to the University's security dept computer because she said she was going to leave two hours early so she could get her mom to work and bring her home so she did not have to buy gas for her truck.

EV's and home backup generators are in the same category.

People think both are toys for the wealthy until they own one. Most people that I know think backup home generators are a waste of their money and a pain in the backside because of service needs and they feel the same way about EV's.

EV's have the potential to replace home generators and are doing so in like Japan using Nissan EV's.

Below is a video that shows a KY politician using the battery out wrecked Telsla to build a powerwall equal to 5 of Tesla's Powerwalls. Off-grid geeks should enjoy video and the short follow up video 5 weeks after moving from Lead Acid to Tesla batteries.

Tesla battery powered house and it WORKS (from start to finish) - YouTube

The EVTV link below is where the above technology was sourced in part and you will see other Tesla sourced systems videos. This whole house off grid solution is being used more and more where the cost to get grid power to the location may equal the cost of a system like this.

12kw Solar inverter Designed for Tesla Battery Modules. EVTV Friday Show - - YouTube

Years ago I bought the low end HF solar kit to train the kids on but it is still in the box and their current kit is much more powerful.

 

[5030]

No electric powered car would run this farm for very long. I have a diesel powered 35 KW standby genset for emergency power and it don't power everything, just 90%. I'd need a 45 KW 220 /3/1 for everything.

I'd suck the life out of a EV battery in about 3 minutes. Might work for a suburban house, not for my farm however.

 

[5030]

I have a good friend who is a design engineer at Nissan in Farmington Hills, Michigan and he says the leaf is a POS econobox coffin with limited range. He ought to know.

 

[grsthegreat]

I have a good friend who is a design engineer at Nissan in Farmington Hills, Michigan and he says the leaf is a POS econobox coffin with limited range. He ought to know.

Do 6 handles pop out of the side in a collision? I have a 22kw to power my place...does a nice job. Love ac in summer during an outage. The biggest sellers of Generac standby generators are in Calif right now. Cant keep the state stocked, theres an 8 week backlog.

 

[5030]

Do 6 handles pop out of the side in a collision?

....................:thumbsup:

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I have a good friend who is a design engineer at Nissan in Farmington Hills, Michigan and he says the leaf is a POS econobox coffin with limited range. He ought to know.

No question if you want the worlds most safe spring for a Tesla.