Would you buy an electric truck?

[5030]

Interesting thread. Never happen here. I'll be pushing up ragweed by the time they become mainstream., probably long before that.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Up coming heirs will be buying those EV's.

 

[grsthegreat]

there is actually a tesla charge station in Coeur d Alene.....could not believe it. passed by it daily as its near my electrical supply house. it would be nice to see how long someone was plugged into it....but in the past few years ive never seen a car there. either there fast, or no one here has a tesla?

also was wondering about cost this is per tesla site

How Much Does It Cost to Charge a Tesla at a Charging Station?

If you charge at a Tesla supercharger, the cost is typically about $0.25 per KW if you purchased a Model S or Model X after January 2017. Supercharging is free for cars purchased before, January 2017. The average supercharger cost of $0.25 per KW also applies for Model 3.

A full recharge to about 250 miles of range costs approximately $22.00. More typically, a half charge (150 miles of range) would cost about $11.00. Cost varies based on the region of the country and local electricity rates.


boy, thats spendy. that comes out to about $0.08/mile if you use their charging station. ($22/250). my 94 dodge diesel gets between 23-27MPG depending on how i drive (mind you my ford gets 15) . at $2.03/gal diesel here in north idaho thats about $0.08 /mile and 3 minutes to refill instead of an hour. i dont see an electric any time soon for the amount of driving i do. too many miles per week.

 

[strantor]

I know their superchargers are three phase, I think I saw something about a hundred amps but the person may have been blowing smoke, that's a lot of juice.

Aaron Z

It really IS a lot of juice. I think We take for granted just how much power our vehicles take. I wouldn't be surprised if the super charger draws 100A @ 480V. In fact I think that if the claim of a 30min charge is accurate, it would have to be even higher. We can scratch the surface of the math, assuming Google is correct about Tesla having a 100kWh battery pack. I won't bother calculating charging efficiency losses or minimum depletion level, just assume they cancel each other out. So the supercharger needs to deliver 100kWh in half an hour, that's a 200kW constant load for the duration of the charge. At 480V, 3ph, with unity power factor that would a 240A load. Enough to power a trailer park during a superbowl, assuming they're on propane.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Tesla shoots for one or more every 150 miles. Their software know all of them and tells you where to go when you get low.

Supercharger V3 — Shocking Power & Smart Strategy By Tesla (Charts!)

 

[5030]

there is actually a tesla charge station in Coeur d Alene.....could not believe it. passed by it daily as its near my electrical supply house. it would be nice to see how long someone was plugged into it....but in the past few years ive never seen a car there. either there fast, or no one here has a tesla?

Well, my cousin has a very loaded Tesla SUV (all wheel drive 4 door hatch) that was super expensive (like 110 plus) and I've driven it before. Pretty nice, insanely quick as in eats a 'Stang right now, drives itself. yes I tried it on a 2 lave twisty road and it tracks right in the middle. Does the auto braking thing too.

Nice thing about his is, for the life of the vehicle, charging at a Supercharge station is free and we ventured down to Toldeo (he wanted to go to Menards and the Supercharge is across the street so he plugged in and we went shopping, stopped at Arby's for a roast beast sandwich and got back to the car in 35 minutes and it was 'full'. When he plugged it in, it was almost 'empty' so I'd say 45 minutes from dead flat to full charge. The Tesla will route you from Supercharge station to station via the huge center screen readout (has no conventional instruments), just a heads up speed display. Everything else is in the huge center display.

I still don't want one. Not my thing. Business write off for him. Not going to ever own a 4 wheel toaster.

 

[Grumpycat]

Maybe if it had a dump bed and the battery replacement cost wasn稚 ridiculous.

How much do you consider engine replacement cost when buying a truck or tractor?

As with engines, EV batteries have at least 10 year service life. My Tesla is coming up on 7 years with 6% loss in battery capacity.

 

[Grumpycat]

It really IS a lot of juice. I think We take for granted just how much power our vehicles take. I wouldn't be surprised if the super charger draws 100A @ 480V. In fact I think that if the claim of a 30min charge is accurate, it would have to be even higher. We can scratch the surface of the math, assuming Google is correct about Tesla having a 100kWh battery pack. I won't bother calculating charging efficiency losses or minimum depletion level, just assume they cancel each other out. So the supercharger needs to deliver 100kWh in half an hour, that's a 200kW constant load for the duration of the charge. At 480V, 3ph, with unity power factor that would a 240A load. Enough to power a trailer park during a superbowl, assuming they're on propane.

The V2 Supercharger is nominally 400VDC at 300A for 120 kW. The latest is 250 kW, a rate supported by only the latest versions. My 85 kWh battery from 2013 will only charge at 120 kW.

 

[Grumpycat]

there is actually a tesla charge station in Coeur d Alene.....could not believe it. passed by it daily as its near my electrical supply house. it would be nice to see how long someone was plugged into it....but in the past few years ive never seen a car there. either there fast, or no one here has a tesla?

also was wondering about cost this is per tesla site

How Much Does It Cost to Charge a Tesla at a Charging Station?

If you charge at a Tesla supercharger, the cost is typically about $0.25 per KW if you purchased a Model S or Model X after January 2017. Supercharging is free for cars purchased before, January 2017. The average supercharger cost of $0.25 per KW also applies for Model 3.

A full recharge to about 250 miles of range costs approximately $22.00. More typically, a half charge (150 miles of range) would cost about $11.00. Cost varies based on the region of the country and local electricity rates.


boy, thats spendy. that comes out to about $0.08/mile if you use their charging station. ($22/250). my 94 dodge diesel gets between 23-27MPG depending on how i drive (mind you my ford gets 15) . at $2.03/gal diesel here in north idaho thats about $0.08 /mile and 3 minutes to refill instead of an hour. i dont see an electric any time soon for the amount of driving i do. too many miles per week.

A Tesla Model 3 consumes 260 Wh/mile measured at the charge cable, including all charging and storage losses. 250 miles would be 65 kWh, $16.25 at the Supercharger.

$2.03 is exceptionally cheap for diesel. Not too long ago I had to pay $4.299/gallon in Missouri.

Today gasoline is $1.819 at Walmart. At $0.25/kWh and 0.260 kWh/mile cost is $0.065/mile, which at today's cost of gasoline is 28 MPG$. But at my home cost of electricity is $0.0234/mile and 78 MPG$. Plus there is no "3 minute fill" (you can't really pump 20 gallons in 3 minutes) as it takes about 15 seconds to plug in and the car is always full when I am ready to leave.

The thing ignorant EV haters can't seem to understand is how little EV drivers make use of Superchargers or other charging facilities away from home. I have free lifetime use of Superchargers for my Model S but have only used the Supercharger once or twice this year. When I buy electricity at home for $0.09/kWh it is not worth my time to hang around the Supercharger for 30 minutes to save $5. Plus the nearest is 20 miles away. When I bought the car the nearest Supercharger was 580 miles away.

EVs do not need "gas stations". Gas stations are not the normal means of fueling an EV. Tesla is brilliant in building their Supercharger network not waiting for "government" or someone else to do it. Superchargers are not for daily use but to facilitate travel between cities. I can drive from Alabama to Michigan in one day with 3-4 Superchargers along the way.

 

[strantor]

The V2 Supercharger is nominally 400VDC at 300A for 120 kW. The latest is 250 kW, a rate supported by only the latest versions. My 85 kWh battery from 2013 will only charge at 120 kW.

View attachment 666652

Thanks for the insider info. I was speaking in terms of amps @ 480VAC, the draw on the 3-phase electrical grid. DC charging amps will be higher. But with the info you've provided, there is a better foundation to work it out. 120kW charge rate would demand 144A from the 480V grid (plus losses). 250kW would be 300A.

I(A) = 1000 × P(kW) / (√3 × PF × VL-L(V) )

Kilowatts to amps (A) conversion calculator