Yahoo !!! Gas crisis Over

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Another thing to watch for is those who want the price to go up and will create an International Conflict to make it happen. I think that's what's driving Putin and his closing of the pipeline. Create panic with a shortage and drive the price up. Iran is a total nut case country, but there also want to sell oil. The more they can sell it for, the more money they get. I wonder how much of what they do is based on their religion compared to their need for cash?

To counter that, it would appear that the Middle East countries are so dependent on selling their oil that they have refused to boycott it again like they did in the early 70's to punish us for supporting ******. I think they want to, but just can't afford it. Too many hands in the till, too much debt to pay and probably too little sympathy for *****.

I'm still waiting for the "so called" experts to come out and start making their predictions. Has anybody else noticed how quiet they are right now? Nothing on the news about where the price of oil is going. But when it was climbing, they were almost non stop in their dire predictions of how high it will go. Non one of them was right, nor did anybody predict the total collapse of the price of oil.

I think the stories we were hearing that blamed the price on the lack of oil being available and how China and India were growing so fast and buying it all up has been proven as a convenient excuse without any merit.

How much oil is pumped was the real determining factor and is the amount being pumped was just barely enough to meet demand, then the price was going up based on the lie that there's not enough oil available for everyone.

Then we find out that nobody is pumping at maximum levels, or even close to it. Then we learn that there are billions and billions of barrels of oil that nobody is even bothering to drill for. It's just sitting there under ground and being held in reserve for who knows what?

Lastly, we learned that our government has made it illegal to drill in all the good places for oil and has only allowed permits to the most expensive, or environmentally challenging areas, which is the same as making it impossible to drill in those locations. I was shocked to learn that we have more oil here in the lower 48 then Saudi Arabia, but we're not drilling it. There is a million barrels a day that could be pumped in ANWR that's also off limits. There is no shortage of oil!!!!!!!!!!

Since nobody seems to know for sure where or how oil is created in the planet, it seems interesting that they know that we're running out. We know of more oil that's not being drilled then we thought existed twenty years ago. Each new find, and they seem to happen about once a year, is bigger then the last. Brazil and Argentina have billions of barrels that they are just now starting to work on getting to. It's more oil that's not even being pumped!!!! Some reports are coming out that oil is the wast product of a type of bacteria and also found in the secretions of certain insects. Some oil wells that were thought to be pumped dry have started to replenish themselves. The level of misinformation that we've been fed on oil goes back decades, and it's scary what most people take for fact when nobody knows for sure what those facts truly are.

Eddie
 
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One nice thing about cheaper gas is that the other other day I was able to take a mini tractor road trip. First time since last spring. I visited 3 tractor dealers. Sadly even though there were a number of things that looked interesting I couldn't bring myself to pry open my wallet. Times are too uncertain but it was good to be out.

Chris
 
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Up to $1.81 at my local station today :(

Chris
 
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The lowest it got here was $1.32

Now it's $1.67

Eddie
 
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I noticed diesel for $1.989 in Decatur, TX last night. That's the cheapest I've seen it in a long, long time.
 
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OPEC has cut output again, causing markets to respond. When, not if, the economy turns around, the talking heads are saying that a barrel of oil will go right back up to $80-90, almost overnight. Place you bets...
 
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OPEC cuts production to drive the price of oil up by limiting it's supply. There is no shortage of oil, just limits on what is produced to keep the price up. If the US ever produced some of the oil we have, but refuse to drill for, the price of oil will colapse permanately.

One good bit of news is that the "talking heads" are making predictions of higher prices. They are wrong 100% of the time, so that's encouraging.

Eddie
 
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Gas crisis Over ...that's what they said in 1975.....

FYI - the Gas crisis will NEVER be over.

If it runs by oil and we get oil from someone else then they will always have a hold on us.
 
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Eddie, I heard several "talking heads", and read a few articles back in October of 2007 predicting this credit crunch. I bailed out some, but knowing that the "sky is falling" mentality is never right.....well, looks like they were right on this one. We all are tired of the hyped upness of everything. Credit crunch, oil, snow, hurricanes, bailouts.....sometimes they are right on the money. :eek: Now the talk is just keep buying stocks, and wait 2-5 years. Also when no one can lend us any more money to fuel our 1T+ deficits, don't worry. We'll just print more of it. How can we be out of money, the presses are running full tilt, and a new gang of 8 are about to be brought online to keep up with demand. :cool:

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OK, I admit that some of them are right some of the time. When I was growing up, we would get El Nino and El Nina currents all the time off the coast of California. They are pretty common events, and the results are fairly predictable. One time while watching the news, I realized that some of the "experts" were predicting totally radical and oposite thoughts on what will happen because of this. They were wrong, but that's when I realized what was going on.

If they had been right, then they would have become the new experts. Who knows what that entails, but I'd bet that becomeing the expert and the one who predicted such a thing would make allot more money, get more air time and increase their social standing.

Then during the Dot Com Bubble, we heard the same thing. There were those making predictions and when it happened, they became the experts. Then when they were wrong, the next person who made a prediction became the expert. I was watching for this, as I am today. It's fun to see who predicts what and how radical it is from what everyone else is predicting. Just go out there and predict anything you want, if it comes true, then you too will be the new expert.

Rarely does knowledge or experience apply to these people. Remember the predictions of how many huricanes we were going to get after Katrina? Of course, nobody predicted zero, so now we have them out there doing just that.

Same thing with oil. They are all saying the same thing, but then a few are saying the opposite. I think they are doing it just on the off chance that it might happen. If it does, whach out, they will be all over the news as the latest experts!!

Eddie


PS Yes, I am paranoid. LOL
 
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What I read said the increase in gas prices is not related to oil prices. There is so much oil right now that all the onshore facilities are full and they are parking tankers offshore as storage.

Supposedly the creeping up of gas prices is due to the refiners cutting back on production and therefore artificially limiting supply. Refineries are running about 83% of capacity.

The gist of the government report on the 16th said oil inventories are above average for this time of year, so are gasoline and diesel inventories. Not sure how the price continues to go up. Probably all the middlemen have increased their slice of the pie since prices are low compared to $4/gallon.
 
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I graduated in the early 60's with an advanced degree in geology planning on working in geophysics. That was in the middle of an oil slump so no exploration and no jobs. I got on with NASA in physics but I remanied aware what was going on in the oil patch. The "experts" then were saying that we would run out of oil in 20 sometimes 30 years. That has not changed at all since then. If it were not for the NIMBYs and environmentalists (econuts) we would not be dependent on foreign oil for crude stocks and we would have modern more efficient refineries and more of them.

NIMBY = Not In MY Backyard:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

It is fine to talk about alternative energy sources but most of them will require 10-20 years (or more) to achieve significant contributions to our power demands and most are geography dependent. With reasonable licensing requirements, Nuclear has the best chance to make a significant power source in a reasonable time frame.


Vernon
 
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My local station has crept up to $1.85. We have made a small effort to reduce our oil consumption. We finally got off a dime and replaced our oil furnace with a ground water heat pump. So there is 550 less gallons a year being used in the good old USA. We have been thinking about it for more than 2 years. It only took 2 weeks to drill the wells and install the new system. The building inspector said he is seeing a lot of these systems in our township. Of course it made more sense when oil was $5 a gallon. I suspect some of our problems are being solved one family at a time.

Chris
 
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I am having a hard time understanding why my gas is up to $1.95 at my local gas station while oil is selling for $34 a barrel today. :rolleyes:

Chris
 
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Well it seems it might just be starting in the good ole Taxachusetts.
AP NewsBreak: Patrick weighs 27 cent gas tax hike - Boston.com

Imagine leading the nation in auto tracking.
Anyone have tea?

Hard to believe NOT ONE of them gets it. They raise taxes and run people (and businesses) out of the state. Then, with less poeple now paying in, the state needs MORE money to keep things at the same level. So they raise taxes MORE and still can't figure out why their state is hemmoraging at the seams. So with this new move, what driver isn't going to drive extra miles to buy gas in a surrounding state?? Further hurting businesses in Ma.

And don't get me started on the auto tracking. I know this is being looked at elsewhere also.

I am having a hard time understanding why my gas is up to $1.95 at my local gas station while oil is selling for $34 a barrel today. :rolleyes:

Chris

No kidding...... we're still being hosed.
 
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Yep, gasoline going back up here also. $1.87 PER GAL. No xtra tax added here that I'am aware of
 
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Whoop, whoop, whoop, the black helicopters are in the air again.
 
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