yanmar ym1500 update

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o i forhot to ask im going to maske my own gasket for the pto cover ive got the punches to make the holes but what grade of gasket paper should i use? . thanks
 
   / yanmar ym1500 update #42  
if you have silicone for autos you can use that, but other than that i would use something similar to a rear end cover gasket.
 
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#43  
o i have gasket paper 04mm 06 08 and 28mm . just wondered if any of that would do? i can order silicone . if i have to. thanks
 
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o i have gasket paper 04mm 06 08 and 28mm . just wondered if any of that would do? i can order silicone . if i have to. thanks

I am not smart enough to decipher MM to US so all I can say is gasket material thats about as thick as a matchbook is what I would use thats about a universal thickness for that type gaskets maybe .015--.020". hth

All you are needing is something that will be thick enough and soft enough to conform to the surface imperfections and be thick enough to have enough material to accomplish that. So a perfect straight and smooth surface needs a thin gasket a rough not so perfect surface maybe showing machine marks etc needs a thicker gasket.
 
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DO not buy or order Silicone. Here in the US only someone like Doc has gasket paper or some guy who does a lot of work or repairs or do it the right way everytime. The rest of us shade tree wanna be monkeys just goop silicone all over it!!!

But seriously these are farm tractors designed for rough service. I would put a thin coating of silicone on it as thats what i have. Doc may make a gasket as you are. But like he said all your trying to do is make up for the dents divits and imperfections in the mating surface . those right #s you are using, i doubt the gasket material is 28mm thick is it? That would be like 2.8cm right or close to an inch thick!!?? Been awhile i know 10mm to a cm and i think its 2.54CM to an inch.

But like i said dont use something as thick as you use on your old school valve cover gaskets on your MF tractor. Use what you would when u take the differential cover off a rearend.
 
   / yanmar ym1500 update #46  
gasket material thats about as thick as a matchbook
All you are needing is something that will be thick enough and soft enough to conform to the surface
Car Doc, you work on Japanese cars all the time. Question here for us shadetree mechanics: is it appropriate to use silicone goop at pretty much all the places where a thin paper gasket was used originally? This is what I have found on various used Japanese cars and now tractors where I was clearly not the first person to disassemble something. I can see where replacing paper with paper is more convenient if the part has to be opened occasionally, like Yanmar's hydraulic screens, but does it hurt anything to just use RTV silicone universally in place of all paper gaskets? What is considered 'standard practice' by modern professional mechanics?
 
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Car Doc, you work on Japanese cars all the time. Question here for us shadetree mechanics: is it appropriate to use silicone goop at pretty much all the places where a thin paper gasket was used originally? This is what I have found on various used Japanese cars and now tractors where I was clearly not the first person to disassemble something. I can see where replacing paper with paper is more convenient if the part has to be opened occasionally, like Yanmar's hydraulic screens, but does it hurt anything to just use RTV silicone universally in place of all paper gaskets? What is considered 'standard practice' by modern professional mechanics?

Good question California what I try to do is use what the factory used and that covers me. However the silicone's available now days can hurt automotive oxy and air fuel ratio sensors so on a car an automotive type silicone is needed. CLEANLINESS is absolutely mandatory a spray of brakekleen and air is how I clean parts and that leaves a dry surface.

I happen to really like anerobic sealer and use it whenever I can on hard close fitting castings. It wont dry until you clamp it together so you can put sealer on your part and go to lunch and still assemble it just like you just put it on.

High temp automotive silicone is great and as long as a person puts just enough on will work for taking the place of almost any gasket made up about 100 psi and not submersed in gasoline and used on hard castings, tin covers and lightweight parts etc takes a more careful approach.

What normal everyday mechanics do is overdo the silicone by a ton. It only needs to be a thin cote and what gets most folks in trouble is the excess gets loose inside the housing etc and clogs passages and filters and guys like me see that and cuss the "glue artists" as we attempt to do it right.

I smear it on both surfaces with my finger and that is like sticking tape to itself and very little oozes out or in fwtw. I hope I answered some of your question!

Oh one more thing I really stress is "sealer" that word is misleading to the un familliar in that a gasket will do what it was designed to do w/o sealer. As far as silicone it is a stand alone product and granted it can occasionally be used in conjunction with a gasket, anerobic only works metal to metal and in tight fitting parts.

I stress occasionally because the silicone will allow some gaskets to just slip out the side as long as a gasket is stuck on good real good a light film of silicone can and will do a nice job of filling imperfections and I do use it that way but as a rule never use silicone with a gasket!!!.

edit: on another note about gaskets I think the guy who came up with the idea to mix rubber with cork in gaskets should get some kind of award. they seldom use them anymore though I have to ask for them. that is absolutely the best valve cover and oil pan gaskets there are the rubber swells up and adds tension as long as they are not tighten to the point they squish out at the bolt holes that gasket will out last a straight rubber gasket 10 times before leaking. my .002
 
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Use what you would when u take the differential cover off a rearend.

Yup I agree that is about what thickness I would use too that should about cover any imperfections! Differential housings are notoriously rough machined and thick tin covers need a little extra cushion than a thin gasket could make up for. :thumbsup:
 
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o sorry i should read in sizes 0.15mm 0.25 0.4mm 0.8mm and 1.6mm in sizes or a4 sheets the paper states suitable for motor and marine and general purpose jobs to seal against petrol oil and water. its made out of plasticised geletine impregnated cellulose based. thanks hope this explains it better billy
 
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or you can get a pack like this it tells you what they are Assorted sheet gasket material. Ideal for use on smaller jobs where the original gasket/seal is no longer available

Pack contains 5 assorted sheets all @ 270x230mm (10.5"x9")

0.4mm General Purpose Oil Resistant Paper. Will work with temperatures up to 120 degrees centigrade

0.8mm Controlled Swell Beater Jointing. Ideal for older applications with low bolt load. Good resistance to oils, fuels and water/glycol will operate up to 140 degrees centigrade

1mm General Purpose Oil Resistant Paper. Will work with temperatures up to 120 degrees centigrade.

1.5mm Standard Beater Jointing, with Anti-Stick Coating. Good resistance to oils, fuels and water/glycol will work with temperatures up to 160 degrees centigrade

3mm Nitrile Bonded Cork. For use where a soft gasket is required with resistance to oil and fuel. Will work with temperatures up to 120 degrees centigradeused for found it on the net
 
   / yanmar ym1500 update #51  
or you can get a pack like this it tells you what they are Assorted sheet gasket material. Ideal for use on smaller jobs where the original gasket/seal is no longer available

Pack contains 5 assorted sheets all @ 270x230mm (10.5"x9")

0.4mm General Purpose Oil Resistant Paper. Will work with temperatures up to 120 degrees centigrade

0.8mm Controlled Swell Beater Jointing. Ideal for older applications with low bolt load. Good resistance to oils, fuels and water/glycol will operate up to 140 degrees centigrade

1mm General Purpose Oil Resistant Paper. Will work with temperatures up to 120 degrees centigrade.

1.5mm Standard Beater Jointing, with Anti-Stick Coating. Good resistance to oils, fuels and water/glycol will work with temperatures up to 160 degrees centigrade

3mm Nitrile Bonded Cork. For use where a soft gasket is required with resistance to oil and fuel. Will work with temperatures up to 120 degrees centigradeused for found it on the net

.4 mm = .015", .8 mm = .031", 1.0 mm = .039", 1.5 mm = .060". jmo but the .4 or .8 mm or even 1.0 mm would work fine.
 
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#52  
thanks for the reply car doc . would you recommend the 08 for it saying for older applicartions? and use a little rtv silicone on the casing side as well? thanks billy
 
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I would believe Car Doc over myself; it seems like most of the interfaces of these tractors are machined quite nicely, and they use rather thin gasket paper on the brake drum covers and other places like that. For the PTO cover, I would pick something that felt as close in thickness as the factory one. I would guess it is the 0.4mm, but it is only a guess.

Car Doc has vastly more experience in these things than me, but I have used silicone in conjunction with gaskets with good success. I have used it on motorcycle cases exactly as he says: A very thin film, spread with a fingertip. I use that to "glue" the gasket in place while it contorts around the complex pattern of the casing. Without some sort of bonding agent, the paper gaskets don't really stay in place well enough to reassemble the parts without pinching the thin paper. On your PTO housing, it should be simple to get it to lay flat enough without the silicone.
 
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thanks for the reply car doc . would you recommend the 08 for it saying for older applicartions? and use a little rtv silicone on the casing side as well? thanks billy

Billy you could use one or the other is my recommendation .4-1.0 is fine I dont see any advantage one vs another when they are only that thick especially if the castings are nicely machined. Also I personally only use silicone on a gasket in situations where I plan on re-installing something that still has a decent gasket thats still attached to it or I am too lazy to scrape it off or its an instance where a gasket is hard to find and the one I have is useable. fwtw

edit: In fact in this instance I cant see what you are doing but I can almost guarantee you w/o hesitation I would use anerobic, after reading what 284 and others have said about the nicely machined surfaces and forget about it and I am serious as I can be save time and will be a leak free job and EASY haha!!! here is what I am talking about guess it shows I cant spell www.permatex.com/products/automotive/automotive_gasketing/anaerobic_gasket_makers.htm

and it wont take much either just smear it on real thin on both surfaces with fingers and how you know its enough is a tiny smooth red edge (color of this stuff) shows at the parting line once shes tight any more is a waste of material. hth :)


What I use to stick gaskets on in situations where its going to be hard to assemble is High Tack aircraft gasket sealer (there is that word I hate haha) it dries fast and sticks like crazy its not like a "lube" like slippery silicone sealer is. Another way is punch the holes small and screw a couple bolts in to hold it while assembling it and dont need any sticker.

Now if you chose to use silicone with a gasket only use it on one side is the safest way and pick the roughest surface side to put the silicone on if there is one that way the gasket doesn't want to slip when installing it like 284 mentioned will keep it in place while you line the bolts up etc. That and also they tend not to squish out with silicone or whatever one one side only. hth :)
 
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When i said "goop" on Sillycone (intentional misspelling) i used that term cause i knew a lot of mecanichs hate it cause us guys overuse it like you said. I use to as well when i started mechanicing, when i was in highschool and college. Then when i was around my father in laws shop i realized that all you need it to squeeze it out and smear a film on both sides with your finger, or a bit thicker if its near impossible to get at on the mating surface. I get the thin line you talk about at the mating point sometimes a thincker blob squeezes out but nver "droops, or falls off". And i realize that if you get it on the outside your getting that on the inside, so yes can plug cooling passages or oil passages. And low and behold i actually have a better seal than when i just ran a bead on the surface and put it togeather to ooze out.
 
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yes thanks very much for the detailed response and the comment very helpful. ive ordered the seal and it should be here next week so will let you guys know when i start the job as ive got a few jobs i need to use the yanmar for before i strip the pto cover. well enjoy the weekend every body. billy
 
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Thanks for your detailed response above, and for this specific reply too. I just learned a lot.

Welcome!

There are methods to my madness I was an employer for a long time (I dont have help anymore I am somewhat winding my career down) but teaching my techs how to seal things in such a way and to think about what they were trying to accomplish on a case by case basis so the work gets done only once, one method is not right for all instances was a real challenge. fwtw I try hard to help people think on their own by giving reasons one way or another and why I come up with it its my teaching style. I believe short answers get short results a thinking man can accomplish anything. my .002

We dont get paid the second time in fact it costs us triple to have a comeback so I was adamant they did it right and we did for the most part the ones that listened stayed around the longest anyway. ;)

edit: one more thing anaerobic vs silicone is silicone will essentially do the same thing except it will bridge gaps better but needs quite a bit of time to vulcanize (harden) it doesn't like gasoline, it is fine on tin covers and flexible applications.

anaerobic can be put into service almost immediately it needs close clearances and applications where the isn't any movement IE a tin cover will not work a thermostat housing or water pump or trany case will work, anaerobic will work around gasoline and higher temps and pressures. hth
 
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hi guys just a quick question for you howwarm dose that casing and oil get on the backend so i know the different heat grade of gasket to get ? thanks
 
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It will get so hot it will burn you if you pull it after working in 95F heat for a few hours! But its not like touching a hot cyl head or anything, you can probly hold your hand on it when warm but it still gets hot! My guess would be 160F ish but i really dont know and that is a total guess?
 

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