Yard sales and cell phones. (rant)

   / Yard sales and cell phones. (rant) #161  
LoneCowboy said:
Yep
totally agree
They work in particular spots, but then the city/county/state/whatever gets carried away and put them everywhere to "slow' traffic down. We surely do not need to slow traffic down, we need to speed it up.

Anyway, IMHO the single lane roundabouts work pretty well, the multiple lane ones are unbelievably confusing and slow.

Lone cowboy,
i am sure that there is exists special engineering in France for designing round points. They have it down to a science here and never have I felt "trapped" in a orund point. I think the key is the size of the round point for the amount of traffic they carry. In the bigger cities they even have stop and go lights to control traffic at the rund points. Yuck! Stop & Go lights, now that I live over here I really can say how much I have learned to ahte them. The most trafic lanes i ahve seen around here are round poiints that carry 2 lanes of traffic. The design sems to be to make them large enough so that people exiting can move off to the right and people going forward can stay to the left. Also key is there is a yield sign toenter so everyne knows that the person currently in the round point has right of way and nobody "cuts" in front of them. Absolutly nobody inside the round point ever ever slows down to let someone ese enter. I think that could be a problem in the USA where people are not used to them. If you think someone is going to enter in front of you you slow down and hit the brakes, that clogs up the whole system. Here there are the yield signs and everybody knows that the drives currently in the round point will only accelerate never slow down, so you better wait your turn for a clear break in traffic before you enter. They are not scary at all. In fact they are less scary than people zipping through a yellow light that turns red. in 4 years I can't recall a sigle accident at a round point, not one. The key obviouly is the engineering design. Making it jsut the right size and having the right amount of distance between the ingress/egress roads.
 
   / Yard sales and cell phones. (rant) #162  
I think Rox has pointed out the reason they don't work in North America.

People on this continent drive like they always have the right of way.

In Europe, it seems to be taken for granted that traffic already moving at speed has the right of way and anyone trying to merge is required to adapt to traffic.
 
   / Yard sales and cell phones. (rant) #163  
Defective,

youa re right about that. We never ever slow to allow someone to merge. We move over a lane if we can and have opportunity but we dont' slow down. The idea is , "go faster so the merging traffice can get in behind you" I jsut drove 2 hours each way to our condo in Cannes yesteday on the expressway and what a treat. You constantly look behind you for faster moving cars. Faster moving cars have the right of way and it is up to you to get out of their way. You move to the right, the left lane IS used only to pass. I had a couple Porches and other sprots cars pass me yesterday that i swear were doing 150mph. The whole probme in the uSA is nobody yields to the faster moving cars! People just take their lane hit cruide cotrol andeverybody else be damned. That doens't work over here. If a faster car comes up behind you and you don't move they tailgate you, hit their lights and horn ad beleive me you move over. You dont' say to yourself "I'm going the speed limit I'm holding my lane and not moving, they will ahve to go around me" That just doesn't happen here. I don't care what the psoted limit is, the fastest cars have the right of way and it is up to you to move out of their path. Speed rules over here, not curise control.

Believe me I am an all American Girl, my bloo d runs red, white and blue but I have to honestly credit other systems and methods I see that are better than I see int he USA. The driving is nicer over here with the added benefit of no radar or speed traps. You basically drive to your car conditions and road conditions. If you are stupid you may pay with your life, but people over here have very little sympathy for stupid anyway.
 
   / Yard sales and cell phones. (rant) #164  
rox said:
Defective,

youa re right about that. We never ever slow to allow someone to merge. We move over a lane if we can and have opportunity but we dont' slow down. The idea is , "go faster so the merging traffice can get in behind you"You basically drive to your car conditions and road conditions. If you are stupid you may pay with your life, but people over here have very little sympathy for stupid anyway.

Well du-uh what a novel concept. Have folks accountable for their own actions AND not depend on everyone else to make everything OK for them.

I too have fingers that outrun my brain and turn letters around when typing but it isn't because I have lysdexia (what the ones with it call it) or particularly fast fingers!

I have always thought that it was my responsibility when merging onto a highway via an entry ramp to spot a "hole" in traffic and to match speed with it and merge into the rightmost lane of traffic in that hole. Way too many drivers just putter up the ramp and force their way into the stream of traffic as if they were not active participants but were trapped on a speed regulated moving sidewalk and everyone else had to do whatever waas required to accommodate them.

Then after barging into the traffic at a reduced speed they drive along for a 1/4 mile at reduced speed as if they were checking to see if the wheels were going to fall off or something and then blaze off, typically above the speed limit. If ever there were a time when their acceleration would be a good thing it would be when coming up the ramp and need to BLEND in with the other traffic.

I have been known to exceed the posted speed limit (more so when I had greater distances and less occupied roads to travel.) I was confident in my equipment and my skill but refuse to drive much faster than other traffic as with high closure rates and unpredictable actions from many drivers you are playing Russian roulette with your life and the lives of others.

I have been in several accidents but caused none of them. I have been rear ended 4 times, always in traffic at speeds less than 10MPH (my speed) but the driver at fault was usually following too close or looking at a short skirt on the sidewalk, or a 90+ year old guy just got confused at 25MPH and didn't put on the brakes soon enough and in one case a NARC cop undercover was eye balling the local bikini group at the beach instead of the traffic in front of him and plowed me.

You don't really want to fly by these idiots at a high closure rate because there is no predicting what they may do. I have seen a lady in A Cadillac Coupe de Ville come to a full stop in the middle of the LA interchange, put on her turn signal, change lanes, and then drive off. I have seen idiots put on their turn signals and then sharply turn a corner or make an abrupt lane change IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION!

In Oklahoma in rural areas some folks signal that they want you to pass by putting on their turn signal (left.) My driving being honed on SOCAL freeways and lots of business trips to DC and surrounds I always expected someone with their left turn signal on to turn left in some fashion and so it was inappropriate to get on their left side (what was desired by these rural types.)

What does all this point out? We need to loose our regional dialects, driving wise, get the h-e- double toothpicks out of the left most lane of a multilane road UNLESS PASSING and become just a little more European in our driving.

Pat
 
   / Yard sales and cell phones. (rant) #165  
Yes to the merging problem. What I hate is for someone trying to assist. I have my move planned and he decides to help by slowing down (I was planning to go in behind), Okay, I was a bit slow on realizing it but get on the gas again just as he does the same. OK, now I slow down to drop behind just as he does the same. Repeat the dance. Worst case that happened to me was having to stop at the end of the acceleration lane due to the bonehead.

Bottom line: Move over a lane if you wish. Don't try to help by slowing down - it just winds up with two people, neither of which knows what the other is going to do from second to second.

The fun entrances in Spokane have steep up ramps and short acceleration lanes. You can't even see oncoming traffic until the end of the ramp. Game is to floor it going up and pray for a hole at top because you haven't much time to pick one.

Harry K
 
   / Yard sales and cell phones. (rant) #166  
turnkey4099 said:
Yes to the merging problem. What I hate is for someone trying to assist. I have my move planned and he decides to help by slowing down (I was planning to go in behind), Okay, I was a bit slow on realizing it but get on the gas again just as he does the same. OK, now I slow down to drop behind just as he does the same. Repeat the dance. Worst case that happened to me was having to stop at the end of the acceleration lane due to the bonehead.

Around here, there are a few tards that seem to think this particular dance is fun. I suspect malicious intentions.

My usual response is to merge whether they like it or not when they speed back up. One of these days I'm gonna get an excuse to fix those little rust spots on the left side of my van, but so far they seem intimidated...go figure...
 
   / Yard sales and cell phones. (rant) #167  
Bozos who intentionally mess with you or just get in the way with no particular malicious intent rarely use their brakes very hard. I find that if the Bozo thinks he can speed up to block me I brake fairly hard and am in the lane safely behind him before he figures out what happened. The key to using this maneuver is to apply it aggressively. If you just speed up and then coast the Bozo can easily get in the way. Make an honest attempt to out accelerate the Bozo and if it is failing rapidly transition to hard braking and pull behind him. This is like "Maverick's" maneuver in the Movie "Top Gun."

The "after you Alphonse" move where you get out of phase with your dance partner till you run out of ramp is to be avoided if at all possible. Even large ships with professional captains have done this dance until they collided, zigzagging back and forth in the channel each trying to dodge the other till they hit. The law requires you have and monitor marine VHF channel 13 (bridge to bridge comm channel) to avoid this dance of death. Too bad there isn't an equivalent measure for street traffic.

The maritime rules of the road require the overtaking vessel to stay clear of the over taken vessel AND ALSO requires the overtaken vessel to maintain course and speed so as to not complicate the situation. I guess it would be too easy on us if we followed those rules on the street.

Pat
 
   / Yard sales and cell phones. (rant) #168  
a merge legally requires both parties, in both lanes to work it. (not like where one lane is ending, it won't say "merge"

If they aren't moving, just trailer slap 'em. :p
 
   / Yard sales and cell phones. (rant) #169  
LoneCowboy said:
a merge legally requires both parties, in both lanes to work it. (not like where one lane is ending, it won't say "merge"

If they aren't moving, just trailer slap 'em. :p

Care to give a legal cite for that?

Both parties working at it leads to confusion. Please just either move over a lane or maintain your speed. The guy coming up the ramp has his move planned and any speedup/slow down on your part screws that up.

Harry K
 
   / Yard sales and cell phones. (rant) #170  
turnkey4099 said:
Care to give a legal cite for that?

Both parties working at it leads to confusion. Please just either move over a lane or maintain your speed. The guy coming up the ramp has his move planned and any speedup/slow down on your part screws that up.

Harry K

I agree, mostly, Harry. The car already cruising on the roadway should just maintain a steady speed or move left to give space. The driver entering the flow of traffic can much more easily merge safely if the other drivers maintain the status quo or move left. When two drivers both start reacting to the the other you have a disaster in the making. One reasonable exception to moving left or maintaining a constant speed is if the driver already on the roadway sees the merging driver well in advance of the actual merge and drops back (assuming no one tailgating him) the merging driver has a bigger hole to shoot at.

As often as not if you slow down to let someone in they slow down to not merge too close and a disaster starts brewing. Slowing down is only effective and safe if done well in advance of the merging drivers decisions and done sufficiently to open up a truly obvious hole. (And then don't be surprised if the merging driver tries to "out brake" you.)

A safe assumption is to assume the merging driver is going to either do something really stupid or just putter up the ramp oblivious to established traffic and not react to it at all till a collision is imminent and then expect you to do something to make it OK for them.

Pat
 

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