Yesterday. Would you buy and EV?

[bnold]

Then don't buy one.

Don’t buy one what?

 

[hornett22]

Don’t buy one what?

A gas powered vehicle

 

[Torvy]

I think Texas has more wind farms than any other state. They are everywhere in the west and central parts.

Yes, but wind is still less than 20% of our power. New Mexico is not in the top ten, y'all better put up or shut up.

One of the real problems with wind and solar as primary power generation methods is the sheer scope of land needed to do so.

We must get our nuclear facilities back in business. Clean, safe energy that does not take a lot of resources to build and does not need to shut down because of darkness, or doldrums, or people down river using too much water.

A lot of the 'cost' of fossil fuel and nuclear plants is due to the onerous regulations and the attempts to use 'credits' to be carbon neutral. There is a coal plant near my hometown. Built in the 70s and very efficient, clean burning and 50 miles from the nearest town of 10k or more. They tried to expand it, but Minnesota shot it down because they buy power from it...the plant is not even in Minnesota.

 

[jyoutz]

Yes, but wind is still less than 20% of our power. New Mexico is not in the top ten, y'all better put up or shut up.

One of the real problems with wind and solar as primary power generation methods is the sheer scope of land needed to do so.

We must get our nuclear facilities back in business. Clean, safe energy that does not take a lot of resources to build and does not need to shut down because of darkness, or doldrums, or people down river using too much water.

A lot of the 'cost' of fossil fuel and nuclear plants is due to the onerous regulations and the attempts to use 'credits' to be carbon neutral. There is a coal plant near my hometown. Built in the 70s and very efficient, clean burning and 50 miles from the nearest town of 10k or more. They tried to expand it, but Minnesota shot it down because they buy power from it...the plant is not even in Minnesota.

I have no problem with nuclear plants, except they use a lot of water. Good for wet locations. The other issue that I think is holding back nuclear plants is waste disposal. Nobody will accept a new waste disposal site in their state. Even the yucca mountain site in a remote Nevada desert location was never completed due to local opposition.

As for land needed for solar: I see a lot of commercial size solar farms of about 40-100 acres in size. Some of these are located in the median of interstates, where the distance between the lanes is wide. I also see a lot of innovative locations for solar panels: Walmart has a couple of locations where the entire parking lot provides covered parking constructed of solar panels; our largest airport has done the same. Our local fire department has an array of panels on posts; lots of creative options.

 

[bnold]

A gas powered vehicle

Have both. And diesel.
What’s it to you?

 

[hornett22]

Have both. And diesel.
What’s it to you?

Maybe you should go back and read a while.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

More ICE is melting away!

GM's Ancient Commercial Vans Are Going Away in 2025: Report

Reports claim the Chevrolet and GMC vans will see their last production year in 2025, while new ones will ride on GM's Ultium EV platform.

www.thedrive.com

 

[hornett22]

More ICE is melting away!

GM's Ancient Commercial Vans Are Going Away in 2025: Report

Reports claim the Chevrolet and GMC vans will see their last production year in 2025, while new ones will ride on GM's Ultium EV platform.

www.thedrive.com

And so will their sales.

 

[bsekf]

AndyMA sent you a PM

 

[IXLR8]

We bought a 2015 Toyota Prius hybrid last Fall and that's probably as far as we're going to go into the EV world.

It's not unheard of to get 250-300k miles before replacing the batteries or just replacing certain cells in the pack, most people never keep a car that long anyway.

Our local taxi company had a fleet of Prius vehicles. They didn't trade them in until they had between 400K-450K miles on them. Reported no battery issues with any of them.

 

[bnold]

Maybe you should go back and read a while.

I’m good, thanks.


23,462 on my EV commuter today (6 months). $403.38 in ‘fuel’ minus the solar production, but I understand that is voodoo for some as well.
Had to break down and finally do my first maintenance on the EV, bug juice was low. May rotate tires someday.

Diesel truck hooked to a trailer

Hybrid crossover for the wife.



Each has their place… Hard concept for so many here to grasp.

 

[Oaktree]

More ICE is melting away!

GM's Ancient Commercial Vans Are Going Away in 2025: Report

Reports claim the Chevrolet and GMC vans will see their last production year in 2025, while new ones will ride on GM's Ultium EV platform.

www.thedrive.com

And so will their sales.

I also wonder if this wholesale jumping on the EV bandwagon might backfire. EVs make sense for some people, others not so much, and despite rosy predictions we don't know how many people beyond the techies and early adopters will buy them. To discontinue production of vehicles this early in the EV game is just asking for trouble should the bottom fall out.

 

[hornett22]

I’m good, thanks.


23,462 on my EV commuter today (6 months). $403.38 in ‘fuel’ minus the solar production, but I understand that is voodoo for some as well.
Had to break down and finally do my first maintenance on the EV, bug juice was low. May rotate tires someday.

Diesel truck hooked to a trailer

Hybrid crossover for the wife.



Each has their place… Hard concept for so many here to grasp.

You're not good but I digress.

I'm all for folks choosing one if they want one. I don't believe in being forced to buy one which anyone with a brain knows that's what they eventually want.

 

[hornett22]

Our local taxi company had a fleet of Prius vehicles. They didn't trade them in until they had between 400K-450K miles on them. Reported no battery issues with any of them.

Those are usually good to go if you keep them on the road. They don't do well if you let them sit.

Hybrid makes more sense than full electric.

I just drove my FILs hybrid highlander to Macon GA and back, I didn't see enough savings to justify the cost.

My father's doctor has a prius with over 300k and he's complaining that mileage has dropped from low 50s to mid 30s. I have no idea how it's maintained so it could be any number of things

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I’m good, thanks.


23,462 on my EV commuter today (6 months). $403.38 in ‘fuel’ minus the solar production, but I understand that is voodoo for some as well.
Had to break down and finally do my first maintenance on the EV, bug juice was low. May rotate tires someday.

Diesel truck hooked to a trailer

Hybrid crossover for the wife.



Each has their place… Hard concept for so many here to grasp.

 

[bnold]

You're not good but I digress.

I'm all for folks choosing one if they want one. I don't believe in being forced to buy one which anyone with a brain knows that's what they eventually want.

Care to elaborate on how I’m not?



Amazingly, you and I both agree on the choice. There is absolutely no way I could go all EV with current offerings, maybe someday, but that seems a LONG time off.

I did 2,000 miles in the truck towing a ~7,500lbs trailer a few weeks back. The 50 gallons of diesel was far superior to any electric offering. Need a ~2,000kwh battery for an equivalent range to fuel stop.

The ‘they’ is the government, environmentalist, or extreme left?
I agree many can’t see the negatives of EV and the holes that could be left in the market if they were to all disappear or be mandated away.

I imagine market shares will level with EVs at some point. Those who they fit (like my commuter) will have one, others that don’t fit, won’t. What percentage that is, I have no idea.

I don’t believe that owning an EV somehow equates to supporting mandates or the elimination of ICE or that I somehow believe that the ownership is somehow ‘saving the environment’

 

[Doughknob]

Each has their place… Hard concept for so many here to grasp.

So true. Those with 286 processors think everyone is out to get them. Also think in black and white - when the world works in infinite shades of color.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Care to elaborate on how I’m not?



Amazingly, you and I both agree on the choice. There is absolutely no way I could go all EV with current offerings, maybe someday, but that seems a LONG time off.

I did 2,000 miles in the truck towing a ~7,500lbs trailer a few weeks back. The 50 gallons of diesel was far superior to any electric offering. Need a ~2,000kwh battery for an equivalent range to fuel stop.

The ‘they’ is the government, environmentalist, or extreme left?
I agree many can’t see the negatives of EV and the holes that could be left in the market if they were to all disappear or be mandated away.

I imagine market shares will level with EVs at some point. Those who they fit (like my commuter) will have one, others that don’t fit, won’t. What percentage that is, I have no idea.

I don’t believe that owning an EV somehow equates to supporting mandates or the elimination of ICE or that I somehow believe that the ownership is somehow ‘saving the environment’

The environment has a proven track record over the eons of time at managing humans to save itself from humans. Temperatures and ocean levels have been going up and down in long cycles long before man invented global warming or global cooling.

 

[2manyrocks]

One issue with EVs in hilly or mountain areas is the advertised range might not be so great, especially running the HVAC and more so after the batteries get some age on them. Repeated fast charges also seem to reduce battery life along with driving in extreme temps.

In limited city driving, I think they make better sense than in taking a long vacation trip in July.

Hybrids have the advantage of range, but the disadvantage of having both electric and fossil fuel drive components. Not sure every mechanic other than the ones at the dealers are equipped to service them.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Care to elaborate on how I’m not?



Amazingly, you and I both agree on the choice. There is absolutely no way I could go all EV with current offerings, maybe someday, but that seems a LONG time off.

I did 2,000 miles in the truck towing a ~7,500lbs trailer a few weeks back. The 50 gallons of diesel was far superior to any electric offering. Need a ~2,000kwh battery for an equivalent range to fuel stop.

The ‘they’ is the government, environmentalist, or extreme left?
I agree many can’t see the negatives of EV and the holes that could be left in the market if they were to all disappear or be mandated away.

I imagine market shares will level with EVs at some point. Those who they fit (like my commuter) will have one, others that don’t fit, won’t. What percentage that is, I have no idea.

I don’t believe that owning an EV somehow equates to supporting mandates or the elimination of ICE or that I somehow believe that the ownership is somehow ‘saving the environment’

I try to find the least common denominator due to my age and education when it comes to EVs. The more modern minds prefer the term First Principals.

In 2019 when I realized EVs were going to out number ICEVs at some point in the future I bought our Leaf a few weeks later because over the years I learned living my life based on rumors of strangers is a folly that I can't afford.

Some quick math indicated for $30K USD I could come up with a used solar panel setup and a used EV functional daily driver. For under $15K we now a 150 mile range EV with a new battery that Nissan claims is a $13K part plus installation value.

The non rumor EV ownership learning continues.

Yes I get the point the masses may prefer to let others do their EV thinking or thinking in general.

My driving force is our son and daughter turning 25 this year. Over time I plan to own 5-6 EVs and selling none.