YT235 down again!

[4get gto]

I know you don't want to cough up more money but I'd really consider unloading that thing (though I'm sure you have...)
The dealer ever offer you a good deal on something else?

 

[Mauser12]

Believe me, I have considered getting rid of it. I would have trouble pawning it off on someone knowing all the issues it has. The dealer tried to get Yanmar to swap it out with another one but they would have none of it. The dealer also sells New Holland and that may be an option. I am sure he would like to see an end to this mess too.

 

[kthompson]

Well well well. Not the series you have but really was considering the YT3 series and my biggest concern you hit, support. Bummer for really liked all I saw of the tractor in design and how compact it is and such. I am in sales and it amazes me how a company failed to understand the need for timely support. It amazes me to be as large a company as I understand they are does not have decent support. Makes me wonder if this is truly a real rare problem that is being over looked somehow or a sign or bigger issue, the company itself.

I have never sued anyone and am age 66 but by now would be talking with an attorney. Might begin with call to say your state attorney general office for guidance. By chance did you buy insurance on this tractor, if so have you checked to see if it offers any help?

Was comparing the Yanmar to Kubota and JD. Support was the one area that I worried about with Yanmar. No product is any better than their support. Will be following this.

 

[rScotty]

Well well well. Not the series you have but really was considering the YT3 series and my biggest concern you hit, support. Bummer for really liked all I saw of the tractor in design and how compact it is and such. I am in sales and it amazes me how a company failed to understand the need for timely support. It amazes me to be as large a company as I understand they are does not have decent support. Makes me wonder if this is truly a real rare problem that is being over looked somehow or a sign or bigger issue, the company itself.

I have never sued anyone and am age 66 but by now would be talking with an attorney. Might begin with call to say your state attorney general office for guidance. By chance did you buy insurance on this tractor, if so have you checked to see if it offers any help?

Was comparing the Yanmar to Kubota and JD. Support was the one area that I worried about with Yanmar. No product is any better than their support. Will be following this.

I will be following it too. The old Yanmar Company - before they joined with JD - provided excellent technical support to their customers. On the other hand, they ultimately shafted all their dealerships, which gave them the reputation that still follows their name in the US

I don't think that Yanmar understands the importance of manufacturer/dealer/customer support in the US market. Perhaps it is different in the rest of the world. Not here.

Although I am even more perplexed at why your dealer doesn't simply trade out your lemon for a different machine. After all, he is the person who is ultimately responsible to you - both legally and morally. It's not you who have a problem with Yanmar, it's him. And I further believe that would be what the lemon law will say as well - if you elect to apply it.

Then if he has a problem with Yanmar backing him up, that will be HIS problem......just as it should be. Regardless of how your local law is written, you are the consumer to be protected. Both your dealer and Yanmar are on the other side of the fence from you. Let them fight it out.
rScotty

 

[arrow]

I wonder what happened. Yanmar built all of JD's compacts back in the 80's and 90's. They were some of the best tractors going. I had one for 28 just about trouble free years. Very unlike the company of yesteryear.

 

[4get gto]

I wonder what happened. Yanmar built all of JD's compacts back in the 80's and 90's. They were some of the best tractors going. I had one for 28 just about trouble free years. Very unlike the company of yesteryear.

Not sure if things are any different. Would the dealers of 30-40 years ago handle this any differently or the manufacturer?
Lemons were made back then too just didn't hear about them thru the power of internet.

 

[kthompson]

One thing was there were more options with dealerships then. They were near a few as today in most parts of the USA. A dealership who could or would not support their product their reputation would get around real quick. If you don't think so go back in time to when the farmer used the original social media, the country store. lol

Another issue is machines are much more complicated than then. What electrical circuit 40 years ago? It was mostly mechanical systems and a decent thinking person could follow them. Today much is plug into computer and let the computer tell the "SERVICE TECH" what to replace. Most places don't even call them mechanic today.

When I first went looking for an used excavator asked a person who sold them the difference between two machines and he said this one you or I can fix. That one their tech has to. So true. I bought one their tech has to and on third control unit in it. Most expensive computer I have by far. Sad.

I not sure it is the other thread on Yanmar here right now but there is another on tbn on similar issue. I sent email to Yanmar yesterday on this telling them was reason enough not to buy their product.Will post if they reply.

 

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Not sure if things are any different. Would the dealers of 30-40 years ago handle this any differently or the manufacturer?
Lemons were made back then too just didn't hear about them thru the power of internet.

Based on the reputation of these tractors I mentioned even after Al Gore invented the internet, they were considered some of the most bullet proof machines going. It made me and others feel anything associated with the word "Yanmar" as "gold" so yeah, even though nothing is perfect and because Yanmar has come so close to this in the past, I'm still surprised you are having trouble like you're having with anything associated with the name Yanmar.

As an example, The "Wisconsin" engine was reputed to be the finest stationary engine ever built. Then Subaru bought them out and it was called "Wisconsin Robin" then they were called Subaru Robin, then just "Robin" then Subaru stopped making these engines all together because they couldn't keep them running. Thus they went from a "superior product" to one of "inferiority". Just wondering if some corporate transfer has something to do with your problem.

Hope it all straightens out for you.

 

[rScotty]

Not sure if things are any different. Would the dealers of 30-40 years ago handle this any differently or the manufacturer?
Lemons were made back then too just didn't hear about them thru the power of internet.

I was around mechanical things at the time, and can guarantee that you did hear about lemons before the internet. Today's internet has a faster-acting social media, but information still traveled surprisingly well before the internet existed. A lot of it was face to face. We didn't have internet, so it wasn't unusual to spend a lot of time talking with dealers and technicians. BTW, we called technicians "mechanics" back then. I still do that.

One advantage of that old pre-internet face to face contact is that it has a built in BS filter that the internet completely lacks. Kind of a built in fact checker. At best, social medias like TBN are lopsided because they it is so easy for them to only show one side of a story.

I liked the old pre-JD Yanmars so much I have been considering buying a new one for a while now. That's why I've been following this new Yanmar forum and this particular thread for about half a year. Mauser12 seems patiently enduring things that most wouldn't, and that's part of my problem here. There are some things that aren't explained well.

One is the mechanical work. The problems the the owner is reporting are simple ones. Easy to fix. Mechanics start with diagnosing things, not by replacing parts at random. Even though swapping out parts may be the popular perception of what mechanics do, it is simply not the only way that mechanics work when they really want to diagnose or fix a simple problem.
BTW, pump seals and injectors are rarely specific to one model of tractor. Both are easily tested and rebuilt. And nobody replaces injectors without checking them first. Especially in a area like Western Washington with the multitude of marine Yanmar shops there.

And then there is the whole lemon law thing and this being a new tractor less than a year old and under warranty.....Why would the owner and dealer not simply swap parts or the entire tractor for a different one? There's got to be another side to this.
rScotty

 

[kthompson]

rScotty, you share some interesting thoughts. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. Using Yanmar's web site sent them email on this thread and their comment left me disappointed. I was very clear with them on this thread and they ought to check it out. Even gave them title to it and tractorbynet.com is the site. If I were Yanmar would do my best to help solve this or show we tried to and something beyond our control was the issue.

Not sure the title of the other thread I read here in the Yanmar section would suggest you read that thread also.