Dimwit on the road!!

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   / Dimwit on the road!! #51  
Gotta love them, I like the people who pass me (in what coud be considered a unsafe or reckless fashion, only to realize that I was 3 cars back from a dump truck or someone which they don't end up being able to pass (hence my slow speed)... Makes me laugh most every time.

Aaron Z
Some traffic clots you just have to pass in increments. Those participating in the clot just make it worse for those behind. Not to mention more dangerous for themselves, oncoming traffic, and other clot participants.
larry
 
   / Dimwit on the road!! #52  
What's a traffic clot? Is it like a blood clot, only with traffic?
 
   / Dimwit on the road!! #53  
   / Dimwit on the road!! #54  
Some traffic clots you just have to pass in increments. Those participating in the clot just make it worse for those behind. Not to mention more dangerous for themselves, oncoming traffic, and other clot participants.
Well, when you are 3-4 cars back in such a clot there is not much safe that you can do to go around it, the road is not straight enough to pass unless you have a very fast car and my car does not qualify as fast.

Aaron Z
 
   / Dimwit on the road!! #55  
Regardless of how bad I see folks driving in the states, I see much worse in every other country I have been in. In Peru, it was standard procedure for them to pass slow moving trucks in a blind curve and the road was a no shoulder road in the mountains and morning fog as thick and anything I ever saw in New Orleans. They just didnt seem to care. I must have seen a dozen overturned 18 wheeler that had not quite made it passing on a double yellow in a blind curve while ascending a mountain. Saudi drivers scared me the worst I believe, They would make 10 lanes out of 4 and everone honking and running 100 MPH. Here in Nigeria it is common practice to run the wrong way up a freeway because they might have to travel 1/2 mile in the opposite direction to get to a crossover and it looks to be standard turning ettiquette if you want to u-turn to the left, pull up to the right side of another car and turn in front of him. Amazingly most of the time, nothing happens. The nigerian drivers have a bad habit of driving as close as they can to pedestrians evidently the trick is to see how close you can get without actually hitting them as it shows how good a driver you are. Luckily I just have to ride a bus here and not drive myself around. Scares the beejesus out of me. I nearly got ran over today getting of the bus as a pickup came around the unloading bus and was so close to the bus that when I stepped out to look for traffic, I was nearly ran down. I have to say I did the old NYC routine of pounding on his hood and giving the driver a piece of my mind.

Gary, I can attest to the other countries and their driving habits. Also, when I visited the Ukraine a couple of years ago it gave a whole new meaning to the phrase "get hit by a bus" the people often us when discussing the brevity of life.
 
   / Dimwit on the road!! #56  
Well, when you are 3-4 cars back in such a clot there is not much safe that you can do to go around it, the road is not straight enough to pass unless you have a very fast car and my car does not qualify as fast.

Aaron Z
Yeah. Clots grow when people overtake and then dont pass, and further, dont stay back enuf to leave space for the next overtaker to fit in between in a sequence pass. You are good to leave space. Odd that you would assign negative judgement to a passer for stopping in, rather than to the closely packed drivers behind the lead vehicle.
larry
 
   / Dimwit on the road!! #57  
Yeah. Clots grow when people overtake and then dont pass, and further, dont stay back enuf to leave space for the next overtaker to fit in between in a sequence pass. You are good to leave space. Odd that you would assign negative judgement to a passer for stopping in, rather than to the closely packed drivers behind the lead vehicle.
larry

You sound like me, about 25 years ago; NOTHING should be in the way of my front bumper. Funny thing; there's nothing like burying a few friends to make one realise he's not invincible.

There are times when you simply have no business passing. The speed limit is not a goal; furthermore you are still required to obey it,even when you are overtaking other vehicles. Granted I only drive about 50000 miles a year but sometimes you just need to go with the flow of traffic. If you feel thbe need to always travel at maximum velocity then you are a hazard to yourself as well as everyone else within about 100 feet of the roadway.
 
   / Dimwit on the road!! #58  
You sound like me, about 25 years ago; NOTHING should be in the way of my front bumper. Funny thing; there's nothing like burying a few friends to make one realise he's not invincible.

There are times when you simply have no business passing.
That is not when you overtake someone on open thoroughfare and have an opportunity to pass. Clots are inherently much more dangerous than well spaced traffic because every anomaly affects the whole train and there are visibility problems to boot. The very fact that some are passing within the clot shows there is room to pass - all thats needed is to ease off and give a little space. Yet the attitude is just the opposite. Clot participants make danger by becoming locked into a tight formation and begrudge a few car lengths and label and belittle, and even act hazardously against, those who dont choose to participate. It is, in fact, a kind of tyranny exercised in the name of safety by favoring the more dangerous situation under the guise of caution... and attitude. Unfortunately this is condoned. Drvers who cant deal with traffic in an efficient manner are much more dangerous than minor infractions yet are are almost totally overlooked in enforcement. Ever notice highway merging?
larry
 
   / Dimwit on the road!! #59  
As I said before you remind me of myself when I was younger (and had limited driving experience)
Just because there is room for you to pull in between 2 cars in a bunch, doesn't mean you have made a safe pass. What happens in the lead car brakes suddenly, as so often happens? I had a bike come out of nowhere and pass just as you suggest, only to have the lead car stop for a left hand turn. I slapped the brakes and downshifted 2 gears, then checked my mirror to find his buddy was about to check out against my bumper. (To this day I'm not sure if the smoke pouring out was from my tires or his) I backed off the brakes and pulled up in the ditch beside the bike in front; the road cleared and they were both gone, no doubt patting themselves on their backs about their driving prowess. Yet today with ABS, automatic transmissions and low torque engines; combined with slower reflexes that age brings; 1 or both of them would have sandwiched my pickup.

All too often your Safe Passes are reaaly the result of other, slower, safer motorists who practice defensive driving.
 
   / Dimwit on the road!! #60  
As I said before you remind me of myself when I was younger (and had limited driving experience)
Just because there is room for you to pull in between 2 cars in a bunch, doesn't mean you have made a safe pass. What happens in the lead car brakes suddenly, as so often happens? I had a bike come out of nowhere and pass just as you suggest, only to have the lead car stop for a left hand turn. I slapped the brakes and downshifted 2 gears, then checked my mirror to find his buddy was about to check out against my bumper. (To this day I'm not sure if the smoke pouring out was from my tires or his) I backed off the brakes and pulled up in the ditch beside the bike in front; the road cleared and they were both gone, no doubt patting themselves on their backs about their driving prowess. Yet today with ABS, automatic transmissions and low torque engines; combined with slower reflexes that age brings; 1 or both of them would have sandwiched my pickup.

All too often your Safe Passes are reaaly the result of other, slower, safer motorists who practice defensive driving.
Things happen.... All the time. Some are not benign. Does that justify imposing your brand of conservatism on others. Living is the sole cause of dying. Everything has some risk and is perceived differently by each. What you describe is an unlucky situation arising directly from a clot and an infraction by one of the "safe" drivers participating. If you had to brake that hard the turning driver didnt give proper notice and the reaction stackup of the tight clot made it a bad situation. A seven foot long motocycle is not going to affect the distance you have to stop to any appreciable extent - unless he just clamps them on and stops faster than you can. Im surprised the rider didnt chose to brake easy and get out of the potential squeeze by moving over - experienced motorcyclists are very atuned to this option when they encounter a need for a quick stop in traffic. Even tho going faster than you the MC stopped fine. His tires werent smoking but yours were and the bike behind was having trouble. Im not sure whether you over reacted or not, but the MC didnt cause this - the clot did. If he hadnt been there yould still have had a hard stop. Yet you are quick to cast blame based on what ifs for the people who try to move thru the clot. What about the person who started it by overtaking the leader and sitting on his bumper and not passing? No complications for him; clear lane ahead just check for oncoming traffic. Defensive? Afraid to pass? An under the radar traffic hazard? --Catalyst for problems with traffic flow yet free of all responsibility for such. Far too often the defensive driver causes problems, especially when they think they should impose their concept of safety on everyone.
larry
 
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