New Garage Pole Barn 40 x 64 x 12

[yooperdave]

My snow load is quite large in the U.P. - 60 psf ground in my location near the WI border.

However, I was able to squeeze in a 4 psf truss bottom chord load in case I wanted to put in a ceiling and insulation. The truss plant is not far away and they do a good job.

48' was as wide as I could get to max out the trusses. That is why I added the (2) lean to's.

Yooper Dave

 

[jayste]

My building looks so small when the flags are staked off, yet it is twice the size I just sold. I wonder if everyone feels that way until it is under roof.

Isn't it funny how even a 2000 sf home's slab will look small until you build the house on top of it.

Jay

 

[Steve C]

Final Drawings with a few minor changes to be made. I am taking these to the County for approval and comments. I already found out that supports under the trusses have to be bolted. I cannot believe that they would use 2 x 4. I would think that they have to be 2 x 10 or larger?

Main building is 40 x 64 x 12. One porch is 20 x 16 on the left and the one porch
on the front is 32 x 16.

Front Elevation

Side Elevations

Section Drawings

Porch Gable Sectional Drawing

You are building a 12 foot tall building with only a 10 foot tall and 8 foot tall doors. If you only need 10 foot tall doors, save yourself some money and build a 10 foot tall building. (I would never do that, I had one and hated it.) You should have at least one door that is a full 12 foot tall slider or you are wasting your money on the taller side walls.

If you do need the 12 foot tall height, then build at least a 13 foot tall building if you want to use overhead doors or better yet build a 14 foot tall building with 13 foot tall doors. You will never regret it. It will add little to the cost and with the size of your building and porches it will look better proportioned and increase its usefulness and therefore resale value.

 

[hcallaway]

The doors are wrong on the drawing. I don't know where the draftsman came up with that. The door on the front is 16 x 10 and the door on the gable side is now going to be 16 x 11. I had planned on it being 16 x 10 but after some early comments I realized I had the overhead space to go 16 x 11 and pick up that extra foot on that one door.

I just got back from the planning office and they approved the drawings but I have to have them stamped by a PE.

 

[Diamondpilot]

The doors are wrong on the drawing. I don't know where the draftsman came up with that. The door on the front is 16 x 10 and the door on the gable side is now going to be 16 x 11. I had planned on it being 16 x 10 but after some early comments I realized I had the overhead space to go 16 x 11 and pick up that extra foot on that one door.

I just got back from the planning office and they approved the drawings but I have to have them stamped by a PE.

Mark my words, you are going to kick yourself for not going with a 14' tall barn. I have seen it happen 3 times in the last 7 years, including myself, saying I will never own anything that I would need a door that tall for.

Chris

 

[hcallaway]

I saved $7500 today. I mentioned at the beginning of my post that I picked up the land at a discount price. $26K. I was able to negotiate this price down because the land had issues getting a power easement and a deeded right of way. The result of Bad Blood between neighbors and or family members. As best I can tell the issues with everyone were more imagined than real. The Land was under contract for $58K by another person. I had signed to buy it at 40K when it was re-listed at $48K (contingent on me getting a power easement). Later I dropped my offer to $15K and finally bought it at $26K. Most of the decline in price was due to my cost in getting a power easement. The land was land-locked and while you can force the issue with access via prescriptive easement etc.... no one has to give you power. At least that is the way it is in Virginia. I was able to convince one neighbor to offer to give me the easement for $10K. (The power co-op was not happy that I was paying or had to pay as they expect people to be neighborly and I was setting a bad precedence.) For $10K I was going to have 2 - 3 poles set across a field next to the trees on a boundary. This is out of his way and in no way interferes with how he can use his property.

As it came time to pay him, I asked to give him two checks. I wanted to give him one when I closed and the other final payment when he signed the easement. He sent me a letter asking for Cash or a Certified Check, not two but one Check was all he would take. He also said in his notarized letter that as of 12-16-09 his offer for power was null and void.

After meeting one of the other property owners and being very respectful, I explained what I was doing with my purchase and that I wanted to be a good neighbor. I also told him how I was getting power since they were not interested. (I never asked him for power but I could tell he found it interesting that I was willing to pay.) Five weeks later he dropped by and asked if I had signed anything about getting power. (He denied that anyone in his family had ever been approached), I told him that it was worth up to $4K to help get him interested. The next day he accepted my $2K for his sister as a token of my appreciation and I also gave him $500 for making the offer to his family member and to build good will down the road. I now have all the papers at the power co-op and they are ready to roll when I give them the word.

I am not sure why my check was not any good in my neighbors opinion. When his offer becomes null and void, he may start to wonder what I am going to have to pay him for access to power. It will not be a very happy moment when he realizes that he will not be seeing the 10K since he would not work with me.

I am going to send him a gift card for $100 for his time and effort. I don't know how it will be received but I plan on telling him that I was sorry I could not transact the deal as he demanded.

 

[hcallaway]

Mark my words, you are going to kick yourself for not going with a 14' tall barn. I have seen it happen 3 times in the last 7 years, including myself, saying I will never own anything that I would need a door that tall for.

Chris

The only way I am going to need a barn that can fit a boat like yours is to sleep with Tiger Woods and sell a book. You may be right but I have room to play with at the new place. At least you got me thinking about how to do an 11' door. Many thanks for that!!!

 

[wedge40]

The only way I am going to need a barn that can fit a boat like yours is to sleep with Tiger Woods and sell a book. You may be right but I have room to play with at the new place. At least you got me thinking about how to do an 11' door. Many thanks for that!!!

Funny, but it sounds like you'd be in a very long line.

Yooperdave - Just how many sleds do you have? Thats a huge barn.

Wedge

 

[yooperdave]

Funny, but it sounds like you'd be in a very long line.

Yooperdave - Just how many sleds do you have? Thats a huge barn.

Wedge

Part of the shed (15' x 22' with the windows and door) will be turned into a rec room / work shop. The overhang adjacent will make a nice area to socialize in the summer.

The pontoon boat, tractor, attachments, trailer, mowers, etc all take up a fair amount of room. The garage next door is dedicated to storing 2 vehicles and small items.

I have learned over the years to never under estimate how much shed you will need.

Regards,

Yooper Dave

 

[Diamondpilot]

The only way I am going to need a barn that can fit a boat like yours is to sleep with Tiger Woods and sell a book. You may be right but I have room to play with at the new place. At least you got me thinking about how to do an 11' door. Many thanks for that!!!

Its not just the boat. I was offered a dump truck to use in exchange for doing some work on it first. Its a Ford F800. It need new front brakes, a oil change, hydraulic fluid change, tires rotated, ect. Guess what, it would not fit. I was also offered by the same guy his Case 580 Back Hoe to use on a project. He keeps his stuff under cover when not in use so I though I would do the same. Again, it would not fit. I also offered to store my uncles camper for the winter since my boat did not fit. The camper would not go either. Time and time again I run into this.

I just want you to really think about it. I never thought I would need 14' but I have. My uncle did the same thing and now kicks himself since he bought the camper I offered to store and will not fit in his 10' door. Guy down the street has the same issues. Plans and life changes things and I own things I never though I would have. Just do not want you to make the same mistake I did.

Glad you got the power situation worked out. He is going to kick himself.


Chris