Need HELP Plz! NH Won't Start~Battery Good

[newholland4me]

Does it turn over (spin the engine)? and just not start and stay running?
Does it even pop or any thing when and if spinning?
I'm not familial with that tractor is it gas or diesel?

fuel level ok?

If you can use the volt meter put it on the starter terminal and ground try and crank and check the voltage there it could be the starter solenoid

tom

I did notice the fan turning in the front, but no engine does not turn over. Almost sounds like I just need more juice? Okay, help me find the starter terminal please. I have a wiring diagram, but no help...makes my eyes cross.

 

[newholland4me]

Check fuel bowl to see if it has fuel in it. Check oil level in engine. Move all your levers from nuetral to high range and low range and back to nuetral to make sure. Do same with pto levers. While trying to start it and holding key to start, wiggle your levers , in case switches are out of alignment. With key off; inspect the safety switches for wires that may have been shook loose. Each switch should have at least two wires to them. Check switches for transmission selection also.
When you turn key to "on" do dash lights come on?

Got fuel, chkd all levers, in neutral, PTO disengaged. I am going back out to try and jump start again and will wriggle levers etc. I don't know where safety switches are. :ashamed:

Dash lights only come on if I am hooked up to auxiliary vehicle's battery via jump cables. Otherwise, when I turn key, no panel lights.

 

[newholland4me]

OK, when you first turn your key on you have no lights, but when you hooked jumper cables up, you have lights?

i am assuming you hooked the jumper cables up directly to the battery cable ends at your battery. if this is the case, and you have a full charge on the battery, your problem (or at least part of the problem), is the connection right at the battery terminals.

wiggle your battery cable ends (without the jumpers cables being connected) while the lights are on and see if you get intermittent power.

hope this helps, michael

Hi Michael,

Yes, I did connect right at the battery terminals. I didn't chk. for head lights while hooked up to auxiliary vehicle battery, but I do have panel lights. Will chk. for head lights this nxt. time out. After I try jump starting again, I will disconnect cables turn lights on and jiggle cables and see if about intermittent power.

Thank you for trying to help.

 

[stagelines]

if you have panel lights without the jumper cables connected then the battery terminals may not be the problem. wouldn't hurt to make sure that they are clean and tight regardless

Hi Michael,

I didn't chk. for head lights, but I do have panel lights. Will chk. for head lights this nxt. time out. After I try jump starting again, I will disconnect cables turn lights on and jiggle cables and see if about intermittent power.

Thank you for trying to help.

 

[stagelines]

i misread one of your other posts, made me think that you had dash lights but not headlights.

refer to my original post, it will correct one of your issues for sure.

Dash lights only come on if I am hooked up to auxiliary vehicle's battery via jump cables. Otherwise, when I turn key, no panel lights.

 

[tommu56]

Isn't the fan hooked to the motor by belt?
if fan spins with the starter the motor should be turning over

were were you taking the battery voltage from?
go from the frame (ground) to the center of the positive battery terminal
then go to the lead connector on the positive cable
they should be the same voltage


I'd take the battery terminals off and look at them and clean them while there. put a coat of Vaseline or grease on them when you put the back on.

negative terminal first off and last on.

can you post some pictures?

tom

 

[newholland4me]

OK, when you first turn your key on you have no lights, but when you hooked jumper cables up, you have lights?

i am assuming you hooked the jumper cables up directly to the battery cable ends at your battery. if this is the case, and you have a full charge on the battery, your problem (or at least part of the problem), is the connection right at the battery terminals.

wiggle your battery cable ends (without the jumpers cables being connected) while the lights are on and see if you get intermittent power.

hope this helps, michael

Okay, Michael you WIN the GRAND PRIZE!!! I went out and jiggled cable and neg. side was a little loose...didn't do anything else. Turned the key and BINGO!!!! So, ran it to the barn and now I am disconnecting the neg. side altogether, cleaning and reconnecting SNUG! Now, I am wondering if this has been my whole losing RPM's, engine acting fuel starved....it was getting intermittent power due to bumps while mowing etc. Maybe I have WON THE LOTTERY??!!! And, then we have had 3 mechanics looking at this thing trying to determine the 'fuel issue' to no avail. Might not have solved my entire problem, but time will tell.

I am ready for a COLD one!!!! I am sooooo excited!!!

Thank you, thank you!!!:thumbsup:

 

[newholland4me]

This is for EVERYONE of you guys that has posted trying to help me. I just want to express my sincere gratitude for your efforts and for your patience with me.

As always, I have learned so much. You guys are always so polite and helpful.

God Bless,
Karen :cloud9:

 

[JC-jetro]

Very cool Karen,

Glad you got her working back again. 90% of solution is almost always right diagnosis that need to be done by the process of elimination from simple to hard. The good thing is once you do it by yourself, then you'll remember for a long long time.

JC,

 

[newholland4me]

Very cool Karen,

Glad you got her working back again. 90% of solution is almost always right diagnosis that need to be done by the process of elimination from simple to hard. The good thing is once you do it by yourself, then you'll remember for a long long time.

JC,

Yeah, I think I assumed 'hard'...oops! Oh, believe me, this is burned into my long term memory. I may even have nightmares about it.

 

[tommu56]

I to give you credit most woman wouldn't even try and fix it.

let alone know the basics of a VOM

good work gal

tom

 

[dqdave1]

Glad you have it running again. I would suggest you remove positive and negative cables at battery and clean well. Apply a protective additive - they make sprays available at auto stores; vasolene works also. You also may want to follow the negative wire to where it mounts to the frame of the tractor and remove this bolt and clean the frame and wire connector at frame mount as this can cause you same problems as at the battery terminal and is a known spot to cause problems.

You may want to put battery on a auto charger to put a full charge back in battery or to top off battery.

It is possible that when you were losing the negative post connection the fuel solenoid was also losing ground and shutting off; thus starving engine for fuel.

 

[newholland4me]

Glad you have it running again. I would suggest you remove positive and negative cables at battery and clean well. Apply a protective additive - they make sprays available at auto stores; vasolene works also. You also may want to follow the negative wire to where it mounts to the frame of the tractor and remove this bolt and clean the frame and wire connector at frame mount as this can cause you same problems as at the battery terminal and is a known spot to cause problems.

You may want to put battery on a auto charger to put a full charge back in battery or to top off battery.

It is possible that when you were losing the negative post connection the fuel solenoid was also losing ground and shutting off; thus starving engine for fuel.

Thank you for the information. I have vasoline so I can use that. I will definitely check where wire connects to frame also. Thanks for the heads up!

 

[newholland4me]

I to give you credit most woman wouldn't even try and fix it.

let alone know the basics of a VOM

good work gal

tom

Thank you, Tom.

Yeah, I actually kinda like 'some' of this sort of stuff...had a brother that was always taking things apart just to see how they work. I get much more satisfaction from outside kinda work than house work (drive my family crazy cuz I gotta have everything clean & perfect). I am very **** and probably got OCD .....like a dog with a bone and a Taurus to boot. In short, I'm a mess.

I guess I was never meant to be on the sofa eating bon bons. *sigh*

 

[stagelines]

i would bet this solves all of your problems. late model low hours tractor if i remember right, you really shouldn't have a multitude of issues with it.

pretty straightforward in hindsight. see, if you can jumper in and get power, the problem can only be somewhere before the jumper. in your case, only one place left to look. now, say, if you jumpered to frame for your ground, your problem could be anywhere between the battery negative terminal, neg cable, and its connection to frame. likewise, you can jumper to the big terminal on the starter for your positive, and you would be looking to isolate a problem with your positive cable with that scenario.

electrical is not as intimidating as it appears. you already know how to use your volt meter. you establish your voltage at the battery. analyze your wiring diagram, and look at your tractor/vehicle. essentially, you should have your same voltage after each run of wire, to and through your switches, interlocks, etc.

nice to hear you are back on the road

Okay, Michael you WIN the GRAND PRIZE!!! I went out and jiggled cable and neg. side was a little loose...didn't do anything else. Turned the key and BINGO!!!! So, ran it to the barn and now I am disconnecting the neg. side altogether, cleaning and reconnecting SNUG! Now, I am wondering if this has been my whole losing RPM's, engine acting fuel starved....it was getting intermittent power due to bumps while mowing etc. Maybe I have WON THE LOTTERY??!!! And, then we have had 3 mechanics looking at this thing trying to determine the 'fuel issue' to no avail. Might not have solved my entire problem, but time will tell.

I am ready for a COLD one!!!! I am sooooo excited!!!

Thank you, thank you!!!:thumbsup:

 

[BobRip]

Karen, great job. You stuck with it and kept trying. My favorite saying "all the really hard things are accomplished by people who keep trying when everyone else has given up hope". Glad I could be of some small help. Clean those terminals with a wire brush or sand paper, both the post on the battery and inside the clamp. This is a periodic mantenance thing that most people (including me) don't do.

 

[llhjunk]

I have read the fuel postings and now the "dead" tractor posting and have to chuckle because my TZ22DA had been running without any issues, and then I read the fuel problem posting (tractor suddenly starts dying, idle rough, leave it set for a while and it starts and runs fine) and guess what mine did this past weekend....come on....guess. Yep, it did exactly what the TZ25DA did. So, now I'm expecting I will be suddenly left out in the field with a dead, no power TZ...however I'm heading this one off at the pass, I'm checking my battery terminals TONIGHT...then, I'll start checking for debris in the tank or filters.

Just how do these tractors know what I've been reading about them????

BTW, mine ran just fine the rest of the day and evening mowing and moving dirt piles. I'm thinking I must have something in the tank for it to be running this long after the incident. I do have the "long" fuel line which one poster presented as a possible issue due to it possibly kinking. I'm glad I found this forum and I sure do enjoy reading up on the issues and the solutions.

 

[BobRip]

Just how do these tractors know what I've been reading about them????

The tractors have Internet access to.

 

[dqdave1]

you may be onto something here!