Spend my money on a welder.

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I learned a lesson a long time ago... You get what you pay for. It was a valid point then, and it's still a valid point today!
Nobody is selling a $1,000 weld machine for $300... NO ONE!

I personally don't care who buys what, but I do resent an importer buying the forum to promote substandard wares to an unsuspecting clientele..

With that said, I'll leave this thread and the Welding part of the forum until it once again becomes a place for discussion instead of merely an infomercial..

Never said anyone was selling a $1000 welder for $300. Please re-read. I have been saying I don't want or need a $1000 welder, regardless of where it comes from. That is my entire point. I want to spend $300 NOT $1000. I fully understand that the two products are not comparable. YOU GUYS are the ones comparing them, NOT ME.

So, put your money where your mouth is. SHOW US how they are "substandard wares" compared to a similarly priced Miller or Lincoln (if there is such a thing). I don't me spout about how bad Chinese goods are, I mean demonstrate it. I will wager you $50 right here and now that you can't do it. If the consensus is that you demonstrated it, I will gladly send you the $50. I am that confident you won't be able to do it with sub $300 Miller or Lincoln welders.
 
   / Spend my money on a welder. #42  
Well,well,pole cat,I never said stay away from anything. AND like I said,I'm from w.v. too,so...

Do you have some kinda joined at the hip thing with mark from everlast or something?

I ain't got nothing against everlast welders,[never even heard of them till this board a few weeks ago!!!]

And if you are going to buy an everlast welder[seems like you know what you want,but seems like you want to ask questions anyways],than go buy one,or two.

Are you trying to convince others to buy one? Like said,don't be rude.
 
   / Spend my money on a welder. #43  
I never told anyone to keep their mouth shut. I just want things to be on topic. I didn't ask "what and where and how much", I asked between two welders, neither of which are a Miller, and neither of which are over $500, which is what everyone is pushing me towards because they "know better". I know I am buying at the lower end of the price range, and I am ok with that. Notice that the $99 HF special wasn't in the list? If you or any other helpful person wants to donate to the fund to buy your brand, I would gladly accept it. I never said I know nothing about welders or welding. I have welded before in my years working in shops. I know who the big players are, but they are out of my budget and too much money for my needs. Why is that so darn hard to understand? I have yet to have one single "professional" give me a REAL reason to go with the "big" names beyond brand loyalty and the possibility of parts/support down the road (which Everlast even directly addressed). Nobody saying to stay away from Everlast has, as far as I can tell ever even put their own eyes or hands on them.

Mark,
Although I am a Miller fan, I have to stand behind you on this. Your first post was pretty straight forward on what you were asking and I feel that you are fully within your right to ask that people try to keep the responses limited to the questions asked.

That said, I also wish to go on record as NOT having found your previous post to be either rude or offensive. The emotion I saw in it was frustration as to where the thread had deviated to and a sincere plea to get it back on target.

Hang in there.:thumbsup:
 
   / Spend my money on a welder. #44  
Well,he said[wvpolecat,],that he was going to buy a lincoln or everlast,and he welcomed everbodys opinions,,thats the strangest opening remark I ever heard,if you know what you want,why get on the internet and ask,and than get mad if somebody tells you something?? Think this is 2nd or third party advertising,that what it seems anyways.

Imean if I was looking for advise,wouldn't want to narrow my choices down to a well known brand and a unheard of brand.

Kinda like saying thinking of buying a tractor,narrowed it down to john deere and jinma,what do you guys think??
 
   / Spend my money on a welder. #45  
Blackntan,

There are market forces at play here that you are not understanding. A $1000.00 welder MAY cost 150.00 to produce, give or take. I happen to know that our spool guns come from the same factory that Miller's does in China. Ours are priced greatly different. Ours is $399, and for the "same" gun, although our is adapated for our machine, from Miller, it lists for 710.00 We are turning a handsome profit. Millers' buy in point is obviously going to be even lower than ours because of their volume. They just simply choose to charge what the traffic will allow...at least the traffic they want.

The Thermal ARC S95 is a 95 amp welder which is quite popular from China, (for the sake of Yomax I won't mention the factories name,). They are marketing that unit at nearly the same price as our PowerARC 200. It doesn't handle 6010 very well and is lower in duty cycle. Yet though it is a good factory, and good product it isn't any better made than ours. And their buy in is definitely a small fraction of what they sell it for, if I am not mistaken.

This translates well into other product lines as well. Miller may sell a product at 3 to 5 times the cost of what it takes to produce it easily. Yet, I believe what you see even in this thread has become akin to stockholm syndrome, protecting the people that are hurting you the most, because they extend a little affection after they beat you up. This may be an extreme comparison, so I apologize ahead of time... A better analogy is if you'll shop around, you'll find even in my small time town where I live vast, significant price differences from different autoparts stores, and they are selling the same product. Yet the more expensive stores thrive and even offer less services. There's a certain feeling that people get from this, a false security that makes them think that even though the product is from the same company that made it, same part number etc, that it is really somehow better.

I just bought a computer from Wal Mart last night. I shopped around all day for it as mine went kaput. I found a nice HP laptop. I had gone to other computer stores, selling the same brand and wanted me to pay 300.00 more than what I paid for this HP, even though it was the same brand. When I bought this one, I paid 498.00 for it. It had 320gb hardrive, webcam, 17.3 inch monitor, 4 gb of ram, DVD multi layer reader writer, Dual core processor etc. The same features at one store, was well over 700.00 to 800.00

Yes Miller, Lincoln and others are all good companies. But they are not here to give you anything for free or become some nostalgic, grandfatherly company. They are here to make money and make the most that they can... off you. Nothing wrong with it...not from my perspective. They do offer services that our company can't and doesn't wish to provide. But all those nice show trucks and large congregations of peoples and lunches out between sales shows with Execs of other companies are paid for courtesy of your pocket book....

So, I'd disagree with your assessment. Times have changed. Maybe a few years ago, when the playing field was level and all products were made here, a big difference would have existed in a 300.00 and 1000.00 product. But enter unions, higher wages, less production, higher corporate salaries, huge ad campaigns and you have an inflated product that offers little advantage over a cheaper product that does not contend with those problems.

As far as an infomercial, these forums exist for the reason of profit. I am sure Muhammed doesn't work for free. Every one of these forums has a sponsor, and advertising is throughout. I am here to offer what advice I can, and when there is a question about welding, or my product to offer an answer based in reason and experience.

My background is agriculture, growing up. I grew up in a tractor dealership, and later on worked in another in college, and became a farm equipment rep for a large company in TN. If you'll read in the other forums, I participate there as well when I have knowledge or something helpful to contribute.
 
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   / Spend my money on a welder. #46  
Mark,how are you? I'm good as well. Want to let you know that I have nothing against your welders,I'm a poor hillbilly and have a toyota,nothing against buying over seas,and am not in a union.

SO,,, was just having a little diagreement with a fellow hillbilly who seemed brainwashed by your charm,thats all.

And from what I've read you know your stuff about welding,maybe a little biased towards what you sell and what makes your living:D,but if you shot all of us like that,well...

Would diffently buy one of your welders if I needed one and price was right,no lie.
 
   / Spend my money on a welder. #47  
Gauthier,

I was born on the edge of the okefenokee swamp, grew up in GA, and finished my rearing in N. GA in the edge of the appalachians...Though I wasn't born there, that is where I call home. Even though I live not far from where I was born, an hour or so, I still know what some one means if they are selling me tars, and the county bans watering because of fear of fars.
 
   / Spend my money on a welder. #48  
Ah ight than[doing sling blade],Was sling blade from ga.?[he wasn't from w.v. or we woulda made a slingblade day by now],by the way,I ain't one of those hillbillys mourning birds loss.
 
   / Spend my money on a welder. #49  
No, that was arkansas I think. The closest thing was Forrest Gump over in Bayou LaBatrie AL.

We had the Dukes of Hazzard.
 
   / Spend my money on a welder. #50  
Now forrest was one of my favorite movies,and the new dukes of hazard had one good part , jessica simpson,as daisy,right? shes healthy looking.:thumbsup:
 
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