Buying Advice Ballast Box vs Wheel Weights vs Filled Tires

[RoyJackson]

Yes, - that isn't the point.
I keep the rear ends down with ballasted rear tires (& often with a USEFUL implement behind that).
I was arguing against the notion that front axles need to be "relieved" of some of their load by hanging (basically useless) weight on the back - perhaps you missed that.

Didn't we just have this argument on TBN a few weeks back?
(no reflection on your post, Reg)

 

[ovrszd]

Didn't we just have this argument on TBN a few weeks back?
(no reflection on your post, Reg)

:laughing:

 

[Recoveryhill]

All good discussion.

For the record, unsprung weight is wheel, tire weight. The kit that rides on the axles is sprung weight, whether or not you have springs. The more weight and the higher it is carried, above the unsprung weight of tires/wheels, the less stability you have. The more the wheel/tires weigh, the greater the balancing affect the machine on sprung weight. Is weight carried low on the 3pt unsprung weight? I'd say yes; it becomes your fifth wheel.

The only other variable is track width. The wider the track, the more the machine can counteract high center of gravity weight, but this has nothing to do with sprung/unsprung. It is a combination of the unsprung weight and its width relative to the sprung weight that offers orange side up/orange side down options.

 

[ovrszd]

All good discussion.

For the record, unsprung weight is wheel, tire weight. The kit that rides on the axles is sprung weight, whether or not you have springs. The more weight and the higher it is carried, above the unsprung weight of tires/wheels, the less stability you have. The more the wheel/tires weigh, the greater the balancing affect the machine on sprung weight. Is weight carried low on the 3pt unsprung weight? I'd say yes; it becomes your fifth wheel.

The only other variable is track width. The wider the track, the more the machine can counteract high center of gravity weight, but this has nothing to do with sprung/unsprung. It is a combination of the unsprung weight and its width relative to the sprung weight that offers orange side up/orange side down options.

Now you've done it!!!!

I totally agree with your assessment!!! :thumbsup: Accepted most of these laws of nature while laying on my roll cage in my Jeep.

 

[Recoveryhill]

Accepted most of these laws of nature while laying on my roll cage in my Jeep.

Well, Missouri is the Show Me State, correct?:cool2:

 

[Brandon1107]

I would have to say that 3 point weight is unsprung weight only if the implement is on the ground and rolling with no ground engagement, which would be rare. If the 3 point weight is a ballast box or any implement off the ground it would be "sprung weight". Similarly if you put something on the tail gate of the jeep or connect a trailer at least some portion of it is sprung weight.

I am by no means an expert and everything above may be incorrect but it is my opinion/observation. Just red neck physics.

I do own a jeep.

 

[Duffster]

Must be a Jeep thing. :laughing:

 

[rjkobbeman]

All good discussion.

For the record, unsprung weight is wheel, tire weight. The kit that rides on the axles is sprung weight, whether or not you have springs. The more weight and the higher it is carried, above the unsprung weight of tires/wheels, the less stability you have. The more the wheel/tires weigh, the greater the balancing affect the machine on sprung weight. Is weight carried low on the 3pt unsprung weight? I'd say yes; it becomes your fifth wheel.

The only other variable is track width. The wider the track, the more the machine can counteract high center of gravity weight, but this has nothing to do with sprung/unsprung. It is a combination of the unsprung weight and its width relative to the sprung weight that offers orange side up/orange side down options.

There are two issues here. One is the discussion of sprung/unprung weight. The other is center of gravity. I don't think anyone is disagreeing that the higher the weight is carried the less stable you are. However, to say you can have sprung weight without springs is wrong. Sprung weight is weight carried by your suspension. Unsprung weight is not. An implement carried in the air by your 3 point hitch is unsprung weight.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Yes, - that isn't the point.
I keep the rear ends down with ballasted rear tires (& often with a USEFUL implement behind that).
I was arguing against the notion that front axles need to be "relieved" of some of their load by hanging (basically useless) weight on the back - perhaps you missed that.

I didnt, and I agree. :thumbsup:
larry

 

[TripleR]

Out of idle curiosity, since a tractor has no suspension, wouldn't the issue of sprung/unsprung weight be a moot point in dealing with weight distribution and stability?