Comparison Pros and Cons YM1700 and YM2000D

[BurningBushFarm]

2 things:

Re the "bendix" Since he said he would have it taken care of, I'm not worried, assuming he will (he quoted a price of ~$65). I see / have heard starters are pricey. But just FYI, this is what he tapped when he said that (inside red circle):

And one thing I forgot (not a deal breaker by any means) The owner said sometimes it diesels when he shuts it off. Didn't do it to when I shut it down the 2 or 3 times when I was there. (I know, stall it to stop it.)

On a funny side note -- hubby is on me about how I like things to look nice (Heh. Girl genes). We looked at a 1500D w FEL last month. ($4800, for the record.) Fresh paint, black engine block, 48 hours on the meter. (<--- That guy -- second owner -- said they turned them back when they rebuilt them. Whoever "they" were. Based on what was said above, probably just replaced the thing?) Pretty.

This morning husband something like -- "well the one we looked at last month looked like it was in better shape." I reminded him that it had been repainted, that's why it *looked* new.

RE the decals on the Charlotte one: It had English stickers also. Just thought it was funny that after all this time the Japanese stickers were still intact. (Assuming that was Japanese. Who knows? Maybe it was Vietnamese!)

 

[California]

That's the 'Solenoid'. A Bendix is different.

Re tires: these older tractors generally had tubes, and the casing can be repaired with a boot (big patch) inside. Like Clemsonfor said, commercial users commonly run tires until they can no longer be repaired. I wouldn't worry about what you found if you can negotiate a price reduction based on that.

Shutdown: YM2000 is stopped by pulling the throttle to zero which shuts off all the fuel. You shouldn't have to stall it or use the compression release. Relying on stall is dangerous! On my second yanmar (YM186D) I had to add a throttle return spring (screen door spring) to bring the governor to zero when the throttle lever is moved to zero. You might do likewise, this isn't difficult.

I don't think the VN shops put labor into opening and resetting hourmeters, rather they have big bins of junkyard salvaged meters that just rolled past -0- and slap in one of those. It is common to find an hourmeter on a VN 'rebuilt' that has the pto rpm ticmark at the wrong rpm for that tractor.

Overall that sounds like a good buy. I would emphasize the tires and other needed maintenance and try to get half of that refurbishing cost reduced from his asking price.

 

[BurningBushFarm]

@careyo63 -- thanks for the picture. I fully intended to bring my camera, but when we got home from church and had lunch before we headed off it went right out of my head. His are like yours with a couple spots worse.

I think you are right about him running it before I got there. Not to cover anything up, srsly. But he knew we were on the way and I had called him to get address for GPS as we got into Charlotte.

And man! I was surprised at how cold it was there. You are right, clemson. Down there the wind was whipping. It was pretty cold up here in the mountains, but I thought it would have been warmer down there. It was. Slightly.

Let's see ... couple other things.

He said he had recently replaced the battery and put in the biggest one that would fit. Check.

Block heater? Thermo-Start? <--- I somehow doubt that. This is an aged tractor after all ... He didn't mention a block heater. I don't know. I'll ask. My old 275+K diesel truck came with a plug dangling from it, so yes, we plug that one in the winter when we have to, so not a foreign concept.

The hour meter is 3 digits.

He and hubby talked about fluids, where to add, read, front end, etc.

Not sure he's going to do a starter rebuild... my anatomy and physiology of starters et al is a little weak so I just nodded. Especially since he said he was going to fix it. {Note to California here -- Just read your post. Solenoid, Gotcha. Did hear that but didn't put it in right context. Since the diagram wasn't labeled ---}

I figure blades etc can be added to our inventory as needed and when we have the $. The FEL was the big thing, as I wasn't about to have a new one added on my dime. $200 - 300 for something here and there the next year or two is something I can do from time to time without too much. Everyone seems to have a blade, but at this point we don't have anything to scrape. We're all grass. I've got a couple hunks of chain link fence to make a drag harrow to hopefully spread some of the horse poop.

I just assumed he has a 3 pt hitch as he has a box blade mounted on it (which I fiddled with a little.) He also has run a 4' Tractor Supply brand bush hog. Twice. He lives on land FULL of oak tree and has no open space to speak of, so manuevering with the FEL and bush hog was a little bit more challenge than it was worth. He reverted to a Zero turn mower. (And no, he is going to keep his bush hog anyway.)

@ California I would emphasize the tires and other needed maintenance and try to get half of that refurbishing cost reduced from his asking price.

Can you elaborate re "refurbish cost"? He was going to pay to get whatever the problem is with the starter fixed. Tires? That doesn't seem to be an issue much, based on what you guys are telling me.

Will email him some of the questions above.

Thanks!

 

[clemsonfor]

When California, says refurbishment cost he is talking about what ever needs to be done to get it into working condition, ie. not rigged or living with it. This would mean the stipped starter so that every 10th time you start it you dont hear it grind. Wont hurt but just annoying, or a leaky tire tube etc etc.

In VN they paint the blocks green, like the original, its a different color green but similar to the original. As the color of orange and red go in your post earlier, its a lot of the time the lighting in the picture which changes the color of it. The black paint job could have been from a loacal store kind of similar to the place the 2000d came from originally. They may have painted them all black to hid oil easier or to identify the tractors that they did, you never know. And the stickers they put on in VN are english, broken eglish that is but still in english as they sell mostly to the US market or other countries which can speak english. Afterall most folks know it anyway. There should only either be japanese sticker or english, tractors sold new to vietnam would have had the jap stickers on them and tractors "rebuilut in VN would have english ones affixed. These stickers on the VN ones are poor, i have rubbed all the ink almost of the one for my 3pt lift lever, i think there just laser printer stickers or similar.

As far as the deiseling goes after shut off thats probably cause when you shut the throttle down its stiff enough not to allow the lever on the injector pump to imediatly shut fuel flow down (mine is the same) it will slowly close after lever is closed. This is due to a misadjusted spring, weak spring or to tight of a throttle. This should be an easy fix. To get around mine i when i shut the tracotor off i have got in the habit (sine i let it cool down anyhow, and am usually of it anyway) of putting one hand on the throttle lever and one on the linkage that its attached to that goes to the injector pump. I then close the throttle and simultaneously pull the rod back on the injector pump to shut the tractor off so it does not do that deiseling you talk about.

See the picture, for the rod im talking about. Its part #13, it connets to the lever on the injector pump on the right side of the tractor as you sit on it.

 

[careyo63]

I've been meaning to tell you I know your area all to well. When I go to our property in WV. I run I-85 to 26 or 321 to 40 depending on the time over to 77. I call my Charlotte Baypass to pickup 77 for years. Also have family on lake Norman :thumbsup: The only bad part is thats only half way for me so I usually just top off and grab a bite and go........

Carey

 

[BurningBushFarm]

When California, says refurbishment cost he is talking about what ever needs to be done to get it into working condition, ie. not rigged or living with it. This would mean the stipped starter so that every 10th time you start it you dont hear it grind. Wont hurt but just annoying, or a leaky tire tube etc etc.

Well the only thing really not "working" -- but it did work -- was the starter thing. Which because he said he'd have taken care of, I wasn't sweating.

I didn't get the idea that the tires were leaky, just noticed the cracks. So that's okay. Just probably not another 10 years on them. :laughing: But who knows?

And I really don't think there was too much other of that tweaking thing we all end up doing to our stuff -- things that we know need to be done, but we'll get a roundtuit someday....


In VN they paint the blocks green, like the original, its a different color green but similar to the original. As the color of orange and red go in your post earlier, its a lot of the time the lighting in the picture which changes the color of it.

Dang. Wish I hadn't forgotten my camera. Would have had pictures of the decals and color. It really doesn't matter too much actually (does it?), as if anything goes wrong -- this is 12 years down the road -- and anything major as a result of crappy work in VN is way past due. (Were they shipping them in from Vietnam 12+ years ago??) Just curious about this and that. Being out in the sun ages all the paint.

The black paint job could have been from a loacal store kind of similar to the place the 2000d came from originally.

The black paint job was on the 1500D we looked at. It was all spiffed up, but was missing a gauge or something. Fire engine red and black. This 2000D engine was green.

They may have painted them all black to hid oil easier or to identify the tractors that they did, you never know.

{That'll work! :confused2:}

And the stickers they put on in VN are english, broken eglish that is but still in english as they sell mostly to the US market or other countries which can speak english. Afterall most folks know it anyway. There should only either be japanese sticker or english, tractors sold new to vietnam would have had the jap stickers on them and tractors "rebuilut in VN would have english ones affixed. These stickers on the VN ones are poor, i have rubbed all the ink almost of the one for my 3pt lift lever, i think there just laser printer stickers or similar.

Mmmm. I tried to remember what they looked like, but it beats me the difference between stylized Japanese fonts and stylized Vietnamese. I thought there was some English on there, but again, I didn't retain some of the quirkier details. The main one on the left of the steering wheel was still quite legible in some Asian charaters. Who knows?

As far as the dieseling goes after shut off thats probably cause when you shut the throttle down its stiff enough not to allow the lever on the injector pump to imediatly shut fuel flow down (mine is the same) it will slowly close after lever is closed.

The two times I shut it off it didn't diesel and he was just adding that for our info. I sort of forget what he said, but I think he said when he turned it off using the key (?) on the "dashboard" by itself that sometimes didn't shut it down and that he did in fact throttle it off. But I could be making that up with selective memory. I'll ask again.[/I]
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So much useful info.

Really like this. Thanks.

 

[BurningBushFarm]

Hey Carey --

If you come up I-26 into Western North Carolina (through Hendersonville and Asheville) you pass about 10 miles from us. The I-40 / I-26 connection is about is the same from our old place, closer to Asheville.

We love our mountains. (STOP laughing, rScotty, ours are older than yours.)

Hay field, French Broad River (under the cloud) and some of the lower Blue Ridge mountains ... Blue Ridge Parkway is west about 12 miles.

 

[California]

By 'refurbishing' I meant whatever you identified that you would like repaired before you put it in service. If he is doing all this, great! Maybe you can find some other issue to negotiate down the price - pay half of delivery cost, etc, or include more implements.

The key does nothing related to the engine on these aside from spinning the starter. And the key isolates the battery from the charging system when you turn the key off. A diesel engine runs unaware of the key position, at least on these old simple ones. The high compression of the piston rising is the only thing that makes the engine fire each stroke, no electrics involved. On the more modern tractors there is an electric fuel solenoid that chokes off fuel when the key is turned off, probably for safety, but that component isn't present on these 70's designs.

 

[clemsonfor]

California, beat me to it. These tracotors do not turn off with the key, at least it should not it would have to be modded heavily if so. You can start it and turn the key off and it will run all day with the throttle up, you wont have idiot lights but it will run. You can take the battery out after running if you want and put it in the truck if you want like California said all the electonics with the key is used for is to start it, the alt and regulator produces power for lights and such.

And no i dont think they were shipping from Vn 12 yrs ago. I think the yanny thing got big 15 years or so ago and the Vn thing in the last 10 or so. I think the first yanmars from Vn were a lot worse than today, who knows though. And yes if its from VN anyway if he has had it 10 years then anything to do with shoddy craftsmanship would have shown by now and been corrected if so. Like Careys yanmar he suspects it to be a VN but after he has had it all these years there is no difference now. It may even be slightly more valuable as his paint should be in better shape than an out of the box unit from 10 years ago that would have had rust and faded paint then.

 

[BurningBushFarm]

Here's an update.

I am finalizing buying the 2000D.

The owner had the starter rebuilt. He has painted the wheels. (He gets bored and does stuff like that.) Found a little leak in one of the front hubs and is replacing the front seal. He has offered it to me with a hardly used 4' King Kutter (Tractor Supply?) bush hog (~ 6 hours) for $200 more than his asking price on the tractor w FEL.

The guy is pretty meticulous and I think this has been a very well taken care of tractor. So. I thought I was going to have an even longer wait (he is going to be gettting something a bit bigger) but things are moving.

So here's a question: How big a trailer do I need to haul it home? (How big is your trailer carey063?) I don't think the FEL is quick attach. We have accesss to a trailer, but I am thinking it is only 12 feet.

Input appreciated. Thanks.