Comparison Pros and Cons YM1700 and YM2000D

[BurningBushFarm]

@ California --

Heh.

I mentioned the I Want a Yanmar Tractor vid a couple days ago. I played it for my husband. He laughed.

And he taught a basic course in tractor mechanics at an Indian (as in Asia) technical school a gazillion years ago. They had a MF. So he really does know more about the basics.

He did have some thoughts about how he could use the FEL ;-)

As for me -- I am a quick learner. If I have any questions I know where to come (Also have my neighbor who drives green machines.)

 

[rScotty]

There is certainly nothing wrong with the MF or the green machines. And you can buy a nice used one wiht only a gazillion hours for the same price as the smaller Yanmar. The only thing they cannot do as well is cut lawn and till gardens. For that the smaller machines are better of course. Small Ag tractors are noticibly more stable than the compact tractors - of course that is only a concern if your land slopes. Much as I our Yanmar we use both types of machines. If you have enough property to need to tend a dirt road, or move rocks, or take care of horses or livestock then a small ag tractor with a loader is worth a second look.
rScotty

 

[BurningBushFarm]

Thanks for the reminder rScotty about other possibilities.

Went and looked at the YM2000D ($5800).

The guy isn't under any pressure to sell ... just wants something bigger for what he uses it for. His main use is keeping his looonng dirt driveway groomed and driveable. That and all sorts of the usual around-the-place hauling. (He loves having 4WD and FEL ;-) )

He has owned it for about 12 years. It does read 900+ hours .... Probably all his? Bought it from a dealer (who I did, matter of fact, contact a few days ago). They no longer handle tractors, just implements, but I talked with one of the guys who worked there when they did the gray market tractors. From what I could figure they would check them over and fix anything that needed to be fixed. Apparently not complete rebuild on all machines. I asked him about resetting the hour meter, but he didn't think did that back then. He was pretty positive about the Yanmars. It has the overrun coupler. The owner said they did offer to repaint it green for him. He declined. ;-)

So this tractor is the same color as the one DZEL has pictured in his post @ 12/3, 1:26. It's an orange red, not a fire truck red.

It still has the Japanese stickers on it.

Seat is low backed, appears to be the original?

The loader (Bush Hog brand) was added a couple years ago by the same people who sold the tractor.

There was no smoke when it started up. He says sometimes when he's scraping and it gets pulling he might have a little.

Does his own maintenance twice a year. Since he has a restored souped up very cool hot rod stored on a lift in his very nice garage, I believe him ;-)

Tractor is kept parked in in a shed. Just a few drips in dirt off the PTO/rear end area. Front end -- none.

Problems -- He thinks he screwed up the starter bendix, so sometimes it doesn't start right up. Says he is going to have Yanmar tractor guy near Charlotte replace/fix it. [I note in the parts list on Hoye that they do not list the bendix separate from the starter?] So he'll have it taken of.

Biggest thing we noticed was the tires. The rear tires have small cracks. And a couple bigger ones. I saw some mesh in at least one. They are ag and are the ones which were on it when he got the tractor, and says they were cracked like that then. (Heh ... been in any rice paddys?). They seem to be holding air. So the question is how long before they finally quit. ("Big" tread or whatever you call it was very good.)

I looked up YM2000D tires. Are they 9.5-24? (Someone earlier mentioned 24are cheaper than some of the others.)

Oh yeah -- I drove it down the driveway and picked up a bucket of manure too. This I could get used to real quick.

So. $5800 is his price. How about $5500?

I am still open to other options (as per rScotty and above .. small ags, or other brands.)

In that light I found this: Mitsubishi D1650FD, 4x4, new loader, 21hp four cylinder diesel, 9 speed transmission, rops, new rubber, excellent condition, $6,600.00

That is pushing it for me as I do have financial limits, and I would like to be able to buy a used bush hog so I can get down to business ASAP.

So maybe getting the guy to come down with the idea that I'll be buying tires ...

My husband liked him and thought he was a straight shooter.

Thoughts?

 

[stormpetrel]

Thanks for the reminder rScotty about other possibilities.

Went and looked at the YM2000D ($5800).

The guy isn't under any pressure to sell ... just wants something bigger for what he uses it for. His main use is keeping his looonng dirt driveway groomed and driveable. That and all sorts of the usual around-the-place hauling. (He loves having 4WD and FEL ;-) )

He has owned it for about 12 years. It does read 900+ hours .... Probably all his? Bought it from a dealer (who I did, matter of fact, contact a few days ago). They no longer handle tractors, just implements, but I talked with one of the guys who worked there when they did the gray market tractors. From what I could figure they would check them over and fix anything that needed to be fixed. Apparently not complete rebuild on all machines. I asked him about resetting the hour meter, but he didn't think did that back then. He was pretty positive about the Yanmars. It has the overrun coupler. The owner said they did offer to repaint it green for him. He declined. ;-)

So this tractor is the same color as the one DZEL has pictured in his post @ 12/3, 1:26. It's an orange red, not a fire truck red.

It still has the Japanese stickers on it.

Seat is low backed, appears to be the original?

The loader (Bush Hog brand) was added a couple years ago by the same people who sold the tractor.

There was no smoke when it started up. He says sometimes when he's scraping and it gets pulling he might have a little.

Does his own maintenance twice a year. Since he has a restored souped up very cool hot rod stored on a lift in his very nice garage, I believe him ;-)

Tractor is kept parked in in a shed. Just a few drips in dirt off the PTO/rear end area. Front end -- none.

Problems -- He thinks he screwed up the starter bendix, so sometimes it doesn't start right up. Says he is going to have Yanmar tractor guy near Charlotte replace/fix it. [I note in the parts list on Hoye that they do not list the bendix separate from the starter?] So he'll have it taken of.

Biggest thing we noticed was the tires. The rear tires have small cracks. And a couple bigger ones. I saw some mesh in at least one. They are ag and are the ones which were on it when he got the tractor, and says they were cracked like that then. (Heh ... been in any rice paddys?). They seem to be holding air. So the question is how long before they finally quit. ("Big" tread or whatever you call it was very good.)

I looked up YM2000D tires. Are they 9.5-24? (Someone earlier mentioned 24are cheaper than some of the others.)

Oh yeah -- I drove it down the driveway and picked up a bucket of manure too. This I could get used to real quick.

So. $5800 is his price. How about $5500?

I am still open to other options (as per rScotty and above .. small ags, or other brands.)

In that light I found this: Mitsubishi D1650FD, 4x4, new loader, 21hp four cylinder diesel, 9 speed transmission, rops, new rubber, excellent condition, $6,600.00

That is pushing it for me as I do have financial limits, and I would like to be able to buy a used bush hog so I can get down to business ASAP.

So maybe getting the guy to come down with the idea that I'll be buying tires ...

My husband liked him and thought he was a straight shooter.

Thoughts?

Sounds like a pretty nice rig; I especially like the Bush Hog loader. The tires on mine don't look that great, the prior owner told me they had had several flats. I have run the **** out of 'em for the last month.....they seem fine. Did the guy say how many hours were on the meter when he bought the machine?

I would think about bringing cash with you and starting as low as you dare without offending the guy. And still being reasonable. I paid $6400 for my 2210D; had a Koyker loader and 5' bush hog. That's why I was willing to drive
as far as I did. Tractors cost more here in the N.E.

I think owning it for $5500 would be good. Just my opinion. Best of luck to you.....sounds like a good machine for you!!
Steve

 

[careyo63]

IMHO the price may sound slightly high from your discription and for my area. But not by much. On the Tires I wouldn't worry to much about them.Mine are the same as you diiscribed.May even be worse. My Dealer told me not to worry typical and would last for yrs. So far that seems to be the case. It's been over 3 yrs. and I have yet to have any problems or even had to add any air but once when first bought it. I bet they look like this Pic.
The Rule Of Thumb when selling used. always have your asking price high. You can always come down but it's real hard to go up :laughing:

Carey

 

[winston1]

I believe he is asking a fair price, quite naturally we all want to do the best we can. Have to see how good a talker you are. If the gentleman has had the tractor 12 years it would seem it has been tested. I'm understanding he is going to replace the bendix. Yanmar Tractor Parts: Starter Drive - 15T for S114-146 Not positive that is correct drive but you could check it out. I say deal the best you can and drive it home!:licking:

 

[rScotty]

Thanks for the reminder rScotty about other possibilities.

On the "other possibilities" I was meaning older US model tractors with loaders. Most are small farm tractors and gassers. For an imported compact I'd stay with Yanmar. The reason is although you might never need a repair part, it is comforting to know parts exist.

Went and looked at the YM2000D ($5800).
Biggest thing we noticed was the tires. The rear tires have small cracks. And a couple bigger ones.

The price is ballpark right. Tires are available everywhere, and tractor tires last far longer than most of us are used to using. But it would be nice to include tires mounted in that price. Doing that would also show if the wheels themselves are good. Some are too rusy inside.

(He loves having 4WD and FEL ;-) )

And so will you...

He has owned it for about 12 years. It does read 900+ hours .... Probably all his? SNIP
I asked him about resetting the hour meter, but he didn't think did that back then. SNIP
It has the overrun coupler.

Probably the hours are original and not all his. That's about right for a formerly grey market tractor lightly used by a homeowner for a decade.
It is possible for a careful craftsman to reset an hour meter; I've done it myself. But it requires tedious watch-maker type disassembly and so is rarely done. I did it because I'd worn out an hourmeter and wanted to set it to the correct hours. BTW, some of the older meters only went to 999 hours so that one could be on it's second trip around, but if it is a 4 digit type and rest of the tractor looks original it is probably correct. Most old hour meters - and some modern ones - are posted by the meter as "hours at rated RPM". Most of us run at about half that rpm, so two hours seat time is one hour on the clock.
An overrun coupler is essential. Good for him.

The owner said they did offer to repaint it green for him. He declined. ;-)
So this tractor is the same color as the one DZEL has pictured in his post @ 12/3, 1:26. It's an orange red, not a fire truck red.

Opinions on re-paint vary. My own is if you re-paint go with the original color. Yes, red does fade to orange in the sun. So what?

It still has the Japanese stickers on it.

That confirms the hour meter; personally I like English stickers. Approximations are available through dealers.

Seat is low backed, appears to be the original?

There were several seat types. Compact tractor seats are available at nearly every tractor outlets and most will fit. I rebuilt one....what a waste of time! Then I bought a brand new one on sale one day. Oddly enough, the rebuilt one is still on the tractor while the new replacement has hung on the wall of the shop for 15 years...go figure....

For historical value, the very best seats I've found were on JD farm tractors in the 1950/60 era. Independently suspended with hydraulic dampers. They are a treat, but won't fit a Compact.

The loader (Bush Hog brand) was added a couple years ago by the same people who sold the tractor.

Good solid brand. Should be no problem.

There was no smoke when it started up. He says sometimes when he's scraping and it gets pulling he might have a little.

That sounds correct about the running, but I am concerned a little bit because it should have coughed, snorted, and smoked when he initially started it up. Particularly if the weather was cool or cold. That makes me wonder if he had either run it just before you got there or plugged in a block heater. Was the weather cold? Was the engine cold? Does it have a block heater? Does it have the Yanmar "Thermo-Start"? You have to know those things. Be sure to ask how it starts in cold weather. You don't want a hard-starting diesel. However, it is not unusual to need to plug in a block heater to start a Yanmar diesel in cold - or even in cool weather. It doesn't necessarily indicate a problem, and is part of what makes them fuel efficient. Although it can be a pain if you leave it parked overnight somewhere that you can't reach the block heater with an extension cord.

Does his own maintenance twice a year. Since he has a restored souped up very cool hot rod stored on a lift in his very nice garage, I believe him ;-)

VERY good sign!...Of course it also means that if it does have a problem he will be a master at disguise.

Tractor is kept parked in in a shed. Just a few drips in dirt off the PTO/rear end area. Front end -- none.

As for the front end: they used to have a saying when British bikes were popular. "If it isn't leaking then it's probably out of oil." I'd check it or ask him.

Problems -- He thinks he screwed up the starter bendix, so sometimes it doesn't start right up. Says he is going to have Yanmar tractor guy near Charlotte replace/fix it.

In my experience that is just the kind of penny-ante, niggling job that a othewise good mechanical guy will ignore just because he knows it isn't much work and is unlikely to affect anything else.But do let him get it fixed and ask him to inspect the flywheel meshing teeth while it's off. (done through the mounting hole). Bendix and solenoid contact refurbish is part of a starter rebuilt and should make it good as new.

I looked up YM2000D tires. Are they 9.5-24? (Someone earlier mentioned 24are cheaper than some of the others.)

Remember, you can use different tread - I like tires with less aggressive cleats as they are more stable on hills and easier on the land. On any 4wd you definitely need to stay with the with the same front to rear ROLLING DIAMETER ratio....Not necessarily the listed diameter. Making the ratio wrong stresses the drivetrain and is indicated by a lot of difficulty shifting out of 4wd. Some difficulty is normal. You can measure rolling diameter by measuring the imprint of the tire on the ground. Do that on a hard surface using chalk or paint. Measure your original ratio and save the information.

Oh yeah -- I drove it down the driveway and picked up a bucket of manure too. This I could get used to real quick.

You simply won't believe how much you use the tractor.

So. $5800 is his price. How about $5500?

I'd say 5 to 6 is OK. With tires, starter work, Thermo-start, block heater, and check for a new battery. Use a larger size automotive battery if it will fit. Diesels love a big battery.

I am still open to other options (as per rScotty and above .. small ags, or other brands.). In that light I found this: Mitsubishi D1650FD,

Frankly I'd stick with Yanmar for compacts - did I say that? Known durability, parts, resale...there is a reason Yanmars are popular. By other options I meant the older US ag tractors like the full size 30 hp gasoline JD & Massey. But it sounds like you want a compact 4wd. ROPS is good for mounting an umbrella, but a pain around trees. Just keep the loader bucket LOW when moving a load and be careful on slopes. Again, that's just my opinion. Only you know how you operate one.

That is pushing it for me as I do have financial limits, and I would like to be able to buy a used bush hog so I can get down to business ASAP.

You will want a 6' back blade and a 4' box blade as well. Used ones are everywhere for $200 and are just as good as new. For one thing you need one of the above plus some additional weight on it for counterweighting the loader. That is very important for stability. Also check to be sure that the tractor has a standard category I three point hitch and that all the 3pt parts are there and it works OK. That 3pt hitch is so critical I would walk away from it if not so.

My husband liked him and thought he was a straight shooter.

Good. In the end, that is what you are depending on. Hope I've answered some of your questions. We've all been where you are. Ask anything else, and don't be shy to ask him to deal with the things I've noted. If he is a good mechanic he already knows about the small dollar items that he "always meant to get around to". If you are a serious buyer I see no reason why he wouldn't do those things.

GOOD LUCK! rScotty

 

[BurningBushFarm]

@ stormpetrel the prior owner told me they had had several flats.

How does one fix a flat tire tractor? Do they have tubes? (<--- Showing my age here ;-) )

BTW storm -- I lived in RI for 6 years [a couple decades back] And never got to Block Island. What was the matter with me??

 

[clemsonfor]

I would not get a MItsubishi, i have read on here some parts are hard to get if not impossible. There are parts on some yanmar models the same, but personally i would only want a 1500 or a 2000 yanmar as they are the most common and there are almost all parts availible and the chineese are copying unproduced parts now.

I would also say that you should have a cloud of black smoke at startup. Even if its 95 degrees out, the first time i start my tractor that day there is dark black smoke as it starts up. Now if i have been running and stop for lunch and then go back out it will crank back with little smoke or just a few puffs.

This sunday i was at my farm in Lancaster County SC (about 1 hour south of Charlotte). I started the tractor that had been out allnight in the cold rain and it was a little after 8am. It was cold and i did not have deisel in the TS cup so i had to use the comp release and crank to warm the cyls and to get oil up. IT took 2 quick failed starts before it came to life, belching black smoke as it was just at 32 that night. It might have started the first time but i am so use to letting the key go after i let the compression reale flop back over that i released it so quick i think it only alowed the pistons to compress once each. Reason i say this is that i agree i think he warmed it up befor you got there. This may not have been to hide anything but knowing you would drive it he prolly wanted it warm soyou could run it. I always let my tractor warm up even on a hot day before i drive it. He may have wanted to save you the 5 minute period of extreme yammar hammer while standing there not able to talk over the clanking.

Tires, forget what they look like as long as they hold air. I work with loggers. Almost all will have a tire on a daily used tractor (skidder) or cutter with a piece of rubber missing or flapping, some have the cords exposed in an area the size of a dinner plate and will run them like that for a year or more. Most older gas american tractors that have been around since the 40's-50's will have tires so dry and cracked but still hold air and work, they usually dont get rid of them till there smooth. You can put tubes in them so its not a big deal if the tire itself wont hold you just put a tube in it. Think about it cracks on your truck tires are a bad thing. You dont want a blow out on the highway causing you to swerve of flip and die at 80mph. Who care if your back tire blows out while bushhogging or scooping poop, just stop it and then pull it off to go get it fixed no harm done no chance to die it it happens. Hoye has tires in the rice tread but any tire store can order you name brand or off brand tires for it. I think you could get some all day long for around $100-150 new.

 

[careyo63]

I have Tubes in mine. Doubtful the Cracks are going all the way through. When I found out I had them my thinking was worst case would be taking a old tube and making a liner if need be.

Carey