Are LS Owners "Dealer Bashers"?

[LittleBlueTractor]

I haven't been paying too much attention up in the "Buying/Pricing/Comparisons" forum, but just saw this:

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/buying-pricing-comparisons/198109-dealer-bashing-rules.html

I'm not sure just what it was that generated this response from the forum admin, but wondered if it had anything to do with some of our responses up in the "Kubota vs Mahindra & throw in LS tractors" thread. I admit I got a little "testy" up there. So do we need to "curb our enthusiasm" a bit? Kinda frustrating that there doesn't seem to be any kind of similar rule about brand bashing -- whether the opinions expressed are fair or not. Then again,the effects of opinions about machines are not the same as opinions about people and their motives.

 

[rocknrod]

Just a note - the link you posted was specifically talking about this:
"...You have to be somewhat suspicious of the motivation of anyone who joins TBN simply to 'share' their horrible dealer or horrible brand story...."

That would be someone like the guy who was lying - talking bad about LS.
We called him on it. We did what, I am sure, the mods would want to do if they were the average JSTRM.

By the way he claimed to be a dealer and was doing the bashing.

 

[LittleBlueTractor]

Just a note - the link you posted was specifically talking about this:
"...You have to be somewhat suspicious of the motivation of anyone who joins TBN simply to 'share' their horrible dealer or horrible brand story...."

Yeah, you're probably right, but I couldn't find a recent thread like that. Maybe it's been deleted. Just remembered things getting a little heated in that thread where we discussed re-branded LS machines being sold by CNH.

 

[Gary Fowler]

I read that thread before it was pulled. It was a new member(post 1) and he specifically named a dealer and how bad of a deal he got and how he was screwed over by the dealer. That prompted the pulling of the thread and the sticky about dealer bashing and hearing only one side of the story. Maybe some of the comments on here got a little personal with the sales guy and his motives, but he pretty much brought it all own himself by trying to sales talk ( with very little luck IMHO) his way out of the pickle he had presented about LS being low quality tractors compared to his NH and Kubota for which I am sure he makes the most money from mark up. I think we all have to be aware of posts here and the motives especially if you get total bashing or even total absolutely not one problem. I doubt any mass assembled piece of anything is going to be flawless. IF you want flawless, then pay your $450,000 or 1 million and get a one of a kind RollsRoyce hand built to your specifications and every item tested for flawless operation prior to sale. Otherwise expect to find the occassional bolt that has been over torqued by a minimum wage employee at a dealership or missing bolt, etc. As long as the seller make good on it, and you only hear of the occassional quality glitch, there is no problem. If I looked at the number of posts here with Kubota's and JD broken or malfunctioning, I would think they are pretty sorry tractors. Most folks (besides LS guys) dont get on the forum and expound about how good their tractors are unless someone asks if anyone encountered a particular problem and then you will get the braggers out that tell you tales like the Kubota owner of a 19HP tractor that claimed he was pulling a 45KW generator with his 2620 and could pull it with a 1550 (13pto) Well some tales just naturally evolk some "you're full of BS " responses especially when you are responding to a call for help on what size generator will my tractor power. We have to bash around every now and then to keep the braggarts and self promoters at bay.

 

[LittleBlueTractor]

I read that thread before it was pulled. It was a new member(post 1) and he specifically named a dealer and how bad of a deal he got and how he was screwed over by the dealer. That prompted the pulling of the thread and the sticky about dealer bashing and hearing only one side of the story.

Thanks for the info Gary, thought it might be something like that.

IF you want flawless, then pay your $450,000 or 1 million and get a one of a kind RollsRoyce hand built to your specifications and every item tested for flawless operation prior to sale.

I don't know if you get a flawless machine when you buy RR, but I am pretty sure you are paying upfront for the fixing any flaws that pop up. Just a guess as I don't actually own one.

 

[houstonscott]

It seems many of the LS guys have done a real extensive review of all the tractor manufactures to make a logical selection before purchase. That said we are "up" on what all the colors offer and where they are made and even how modern the design is and where it came from and who used it in what models. I think many of us like me were not attached to any brand but wanted to investigate the best buy or simply the best tractor and came to some conclusions and LS bubbled to the top and we bought one. Now to assume the dealers were not important in that conclusion is bogus. There is a difference between bashing dealers and making a honest review of your experience and posting it, the dealers better be ready to be outed if they don't act within reason on the sale of a 30K piece of heavy equipment.

HS

 

[teg]

If you read a thread that's bashing a dealer, click on the

button under their name and report it...

 

[rocknrod]

If you read a thread that's bashing a dealer, click on the

button under their name and report it...

I just did.
It was a dealer bashing LS with inaccurate info.

 

[houstonscott]

Does anyone know if the forums are dealer supported? This might explain the reactions....

HS

 

[rocknrod]

Does anyone know if the forums are dealer supported? This might explain the reactions...HS

Must be.
Only my thread was edited.
The dealers thread was left - including his inaccurate information.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

If you look at the dealers list at the top of the page, those are the people that help support the website with $$$$. Face it, you get a little more leeway when you help out with the costs. Just how it is in life.

 

[rocknrod]

If you look at the dealers list at the top of the page, those are the people that help support the website with $$$$. Face it, you get a little more leeway when you help out with the costs. Just how it is in life.

I wouldnt call being dishonest "a little leeway".
Pretending you have no skin in the game is being dishonest.
Telling people something about a tractor that isnt there is being dishonest.
But as you say money talks, dishonestly or not.

 

[art]

I wouldnt call being dishonest "a little leeway".
Pretending you have no skin in the game is being dishonest.
Telling people something about a tractor that isnt there is being dishonest.
But as you say money talks, dishonestly or not.

There was nothing dishonest with what was said!!! Look at the model that was mentioned and that was on the header. OPEN YOUR EYES!!!! Nothing was said about your model other then by you!!!! Then we all can relate to the header here!!!

 

[bp fick]

All the colors here take their hits.

For example, Kubota get smacked repeatedly for being expensive, too light, smug dealers, 1/4 valving on smaller models, jerky 3 pt operation on some basic L models, and lots more.

Most every guy who talks about these perceived Kubota weakness gives his opinion freely. If you own an Orange tractor, you have to have thick skin sometimes because you know you chose one and you like it.

As the newest blue tractor kid on the block, so to speak, the LS guys sometimes seem a wee bit over sensitive, in my observation.

There's no need. It is a fine machine and it is attractively priced, at present. Trying to counter or defend against every remark seen as critical of one's favorite brand is a hopeless task. Just an observation and I mean no offense to anyone loyal to the new blue tractors.

 

[rocknrod]

There was nothing dishonest with what was said!!! Look at the model that was mentioned and that was on the header. OPEN YOUR EYES!!!! Nothing was said about your model other then by you!!!! Then we all can relate to the header here!!!

Hey Art I quoted what you said - in your original inaccurate post.
If you can't take the hit, Don't post inaccurate stuff.

Case in point. When you were speaking of LS you said:

I don't own either currently so I went with no bias's on either brand. I was looking as a mechanic as to potential problems. Things I look for are standard features of other brands and there operation!

I don''t like levers and linkage that hang down below the tractors for limbs and other things to grab, the BX Kubota fan is quite well hidden but we hear of enough people with troubles there!
I don't like drag links below the front axle! That is normally the gauge as to how deep of ruts we can go though when it starts dragging and that might mean bending the drag link causing extra toe-out or worse yet to break it off.
Control positions were a flip of a coin as to who was best for the majority, labeling them well and how easy they were in relationship to the movement needed to operate.

Will both work, yes and they both will make some people feel they had died and gone to heaven for what they might doing. I just felt for what I looked at the LS is not up to par quite yet with the Kioti. Everyone has different levels and knowledge of mechanics and design and desire, I'm not faulting anyone for making their choice.

You sir - Made a bad choice posting that inaccurate info. You are a dealer that does not sell LS - You have skin in the game.
And to tell you the truth you are NOW being inaccurate about an LS owner!

 

[art]

Hey Art I quoted what you said - in your original inaccurate post.
If you can't take the hit, Don't post inaccurate stuff.

Case in point. When you were speaking of LS you said:


You sir - Made a bad choice posting that inaccurate info. You are a dealer that does not sell LS - You have skin in the game.
And to tell you the truth you are NOW being inaccurate about an LS owner!

I will repeat, look at the model they asked about, not yours!! There was statements about the Kioti as well as the LS tractors in what I said in that post.

Look at another poster on that thread and they will tell you the same that they saw on that model in that thread.

Is he a liar too?

There was nothing out of line by all the standards addressed here and nothing inaccurate.

People come here to learn both sides of the equipment they are purchasing as well as what they might have bought prior to finding this website for repairs as well as insight as far as to how they might be able to get more out of their equipment. It is one of the best sites on the internet with discussions about many subjects on tractors and a variety of equipment.

For many who are here they are proud of their purchases just like you. I to am proud of many of the machines that I represent so to a degree we are both the same as many of the others here.

I made no false statements, as I just stated what I'd seen about the two brands, that might not be a concern at all to others. I based what I said on what I've seen for problems on other tractors through the years of being in this industry. It doesn't mean that it will bring problems to every owner just that there is a chance of it depending on what their intentions are of use are.

I once again will say that I'm sorry that I offended you! I stand by what I've said.

 

[rocknrod]

I quoted what you said about LS.
All the backtracking in the world wont change that.
Let your words speak for themselves.

 

[art]

I quoted what you said about LS.
All the backtracking in the world wont change that.
Let your words speak for themselves.

There is no back tracking on my part, you do not understand what I was saying.

 

[rocknrod]

Hey anyone seen that LS 5020C in person?
What kind of cost do you think it is?
I might upgrade to a cabin model.

At least I can get straight talk from my dealer. I'll continue buying from him.
SV Tractors, Corsicana, Texas, Authorized Dealer of Zetor and AgTrac Tractors
Anyone notice anything hanging from the bottom of that tractor? Me either.
Fit and finish is a good as any tractor out there IMO.

 

[MKIHALL]

Hey anyone seen that LS 5020C in person?
What kind of cost do you think it is?
I might upgrade to a cabin model.

At least I can get straight talk from my dealer. I'll continue buying from him.
SV Tractors, Corsicana, Texas, Authorized Dealer of Zetor and AgTrac Tractors
Anyone notice anything hanging from the bottom of that tractor? Me either.
Fit and finish is a good as any tractor out there IMO.

...yeah and if it was a J2030 it would be germane to the argument you seem to be having with Art (whom I agree may be blindly loyal to his brand a wee bit, but isn't everyone, yourself included), as that is the tractor the OP was asking about, ...I'm just saying, :laughing:, but your little dispute is providing some entertaiining drama