Add Hydraulics to John Deere 325 Garden Tractor

[firedogfitz]

Looking to try and tap into the hydraulics and put some ports in the rear for some small homemade attachments. Any input would be great! Pics are even better! New to the site but some of you guys really have some talent, and the rest well I am right there with you. We GET it done!! Thanks for your time and hope to get some ideas going....

Nathan

 

[kubotakid USA]

Looking to try and tap into the hydraulics and put some ports in the rear for some small homemade attachments. Any input would be great! Pics are even better! New to the site but some of you guys really have some talent, and the rest well I am right there with you. We GET it done!! Thanks for your time and hope to get some ideas going....

Nathan

Welcome Nathan, Iam not familar with the 325 hyd circut, But I would consider using electric silinoid controled valves, much easier If you dont mind the touchy control,...Eric

 

[firedogfitz]

Thanks Mrkubotakid,
I have thought of going with an electric silinoid, have not had much experience with the electrical units. Do you have any references or items that you would recommend?

 

[Gary Fowler]

If I remember right, those tractors already have 1 or 2 sets of ports on the front left side, why not just relocate one of those by removing the hose connections on one of them, install a short hose from one set of those to the rear and refix the hose connector to a point where needed on the rear. The pump capacity isnt enought to run more outlets at one time than it already has and the tank capacity is about 1.5 gallons I think so you would run it out of oil with that many cylinders or explode it if you retracted all of them.

 

[firedogfitz]

Gary,
Unfortunately my tractor does not have the ports on the front. I do not have the GX Series. I do have a hydraulic lift for my mower deck that I was looking to add some ports from that. Unsure at this time how to add ports and make how to make a bypass to isolate either the rear attachment and my mower. Looking back I wish i would have been alittle more picky and got a tractor with some ports! Thanks

Nathan

 

[firedogfitz]

Thanks Gary !!!

 

[kubotakid USA]

Thanks Mrkubotakid,
I have thought of going with an electric silinoid, have not had much experience with the electrical units. Do you have any references or items that you would recommend?

Id start with the surplus center,

 

[J_J]

Since you already have hyd deck lift, you can remove the hoses for the hyd deck lift, and extend them to the rear, and use the current valve to control whatever is attached to the hyd hose. . I believe that is a very small hyd pump, so it depends what you want to control as to the usefulness of the hyd. I see they have a hyd tiller for the tractor, but is the hyd for a cyl or a hyd motor on the tiller?

I run a hyd pump off the fan belt for my hyd lift and steering. Barns makes a small hyd pump that will pump 1 to 3 GPM . then you need the valve whether it is a lever valve or a solenoid valve. Just add up the cost and see if it is worth it.

 

[Soundguy]

i think I'd use a cheap low volume 12v electric over hyd unit. self contained units with a couple quart sump, motor, control and outlets are no bigger than a 2l soda bottle, and run ok off a lawn tractor battery for intermittant use.


soundguy

 

[kubotakid USA]

i think I'd use a cheap low volume 12v electric over hyd unit. self contained units with a couple quart sump, motor, control and outlets are no bigger than a 2l soda bottle, and run ok off a lawn tractor battery for intermittant use.


soundguy

They work ok, with that little battery, but theres nothing cheap about them, especially the ones with a 2 way valve, 400-450 bucks, might find a used one,..Iam guessin youll need to wait about 3+ minites between uses, depending on the charging capacity of your little motor Eric

 

[Soundguy]

They work ok, with that little battery, but theres nothing cheap about them, especially the ones with a 2 way valve, 400-450 bucks, might find a used one,..Iam guessin youll need to wait about 3+ minites between uses, depending on the charging capacity of your little motor Eric

400-500 used? uh.. yeah.. er.. NOT I saw some BIG ones for 350-400$ at surplus center.. and small ones like I mentioned for about 200$

1-1.4gpm


this is a lawnmower.. not an ag tractor. a 1gpm pump.. that alot of oil. how big a cyl you think this guy is lifting on a lawnmower?

my old ford tractors have a 3pt lift cyl that don't hold 8 ounces of oil at full lift??

3 minutes between use? that's a huge exageration... since he will only be pressurizing a few ounces of oil per lift.. that not a long duration load.. like what? a few seconds of lift? no reason it needs 3 minutes of recharge for a few seconds of use.

I've used these units plenty of times. I helped a buddy build a LOG SPLITTER using one, and it runs off the lawnmowers battery to do so...

soundguy

 

[kubotakid USA]

400-500 used? uh.. yeah.. er.. NOT I saw some BIG ones for 350-400$ at surplus center.. and small ones like I mentioned for about 200$

1-1.4gpm


this is a lawnmower.. not an ag tractor. a 1gpm pump.. that alot of oil. how big a cyl you think this guy is lifting on a lawnmower?

my old ford tractors have a 3pt lift cyl that don't hold 8 ounces of oil at full lift??

3 minutes between use? that's a huge exageration... since he will only be pressurizing a few ounces of oil per lift.. that not a long duration load.. like what? a few seconds of lift? no reason it needs 3 minutes of recharge for a few seconds of use.

I've used these units plenty of times. I helped a buddy build a LOG SPLITTER using one, and it runs off the lawnmowers battery to do so...

soundguy

I did not say used was 400/450,..That was for new,..and furthermore fum ducker, you are not compairing apples to apples, the 12v units..The full blown tractor trailer units,. dont come in the $200.00 range, unless, ur talkin play money,. real pumps,.cost REAL money , 4,-450 bucks, Oh, yea,.Ill take a dozen of those REAL pumps FOR,. 2 hundred,.. show up, or shut up also 3 oz of oil??, that would,nt lift, a 2in cyl more than 2in,.. what planet are u from?? If ur talkin the 219,00 dollor, ones, add 20,00 for shipping, plus the 24.99, dollor silinoid, plus shipping, thats a $270.00 4 a toy pump,..NOT a real pump, and yes,3 plus minites to recover,.a full 12,8 volts, go figure

 

[jimgerken]

That's funny stuff right there ^.

 

[om21braz]

That's funny stuff right there ^.

+1 I guess he does'nt realize who he's dealing with. mrkubotakid - please be more respectful of folks on here. That's our Soundguy you're talking to, chances are very good he knows what he's talking about.

 

[Soundguy]

I did not say used was 400/450,..That was for new,..

that one was my bad, I misread.

and furthermore fum ducker,

yes sir.. that's them family values showing thru.. great line for this fine forum! Hope none of the younguns see that one and have to go ask momma what it means..

you are not compairing apples to apples, the 12v units..The full blown tractor trailer units,. dont come in the $200.00 range, unless, ur talkin play money,. real pumps,.cost REAL money ,

I'm not compairing anything.. he wants a lil ready power unit for a riding lawnmower.. not a tractor trailer ??? the title of the message says " John Deere 325 GARDEN TRACTOR" why would he want a pump made for a tractor trailer on a riding lawnmower?

Oh, yea,.Ill take a dozen of those REAL pumps FOR,. 2 hundred,.. show up, or shut up ,

the size pump I mentioned.. for a riding lawn mower.. IE.. 1-1.4gpm falls in that price range at the surplus center. First page I brought up had a good selection of 200$ range units.. again.. for the size I mentioned. not for a 'tractor trailer'.. still not sure why you want the guy to have a pump sized for a tractor trailer on a riding lawn mower? Tht one's perplexing. Also not sure why you are so hostile on a family oriented board the 'put up or shut up, and "fum ducker" are generally -NOT- the kind of language that members here use.

also 3 oz of oil??, ,

not sure where you pulled the 3 oz number from.. probably the same place you decided that a tractor trailer sized hyds unit was needed to add hyds to a riding lawn mower?

that would,nt lift, a 2in cyl more than 2in,.. what planet are u from?,

my comment was that the internal lift cyl on some tractors is only a few ounces of oil. I'm not sure if you have had the 3pt lift cyl off of a small to medium sized tractor.. like an 8n.. but the lift piston travels a few inches in a bore that's close to the size of a soda can... thus my 8oz of oil comment. from 3pt lift at full down, to 3pt lift at full up, the piston has only moved a few inches.. and oil displacement in that cyl area behind the piston is only a few ounces.. the fact the lift moved 20+ inches is just geometry of the rockshaft, and mechanical advanage vs pump pressure and piston diameter, in relation to the load you are (trying) to lift.

If you'd like to keep discusing it, I'd like to as well, though only if you wil be civil and quit using such abusive and near-foul language on this very nice board that we are on.

soundguy

 

[nuffer460]

Maybe I missed somthing. I read through this thing twice. I have used both large and small units. I did not see anything wrong with Soundguys information. Must be me!!:confused2:

 

[Soundguy]

Maybe I missed somthing. I read through this thing twice. I have used both large and small units. I did not see anything wrong with Soundguys information. Must be me!!:confused2:

I'm still puzzled as well.

oh well.

I hope the PO can read around the static, and perhaps hit the sites mentioned and find him a nice small affordable power unit for his machine.

I've seen many done that way, including some even done with a hand operated pump style jack or porta power hand pump...

lotsa angle to tackle this lil pri=oject. none of em wrong.. just different.

soundguy

 

[Don87]

I'm still puzzled as well.

oh well.

I hope the PO can read around the static, and perhaps hit the sites mentioned and find him a nice small affordable power unit for his machine.

I've seen many done that way, including some even done with a hand operated pump style jack or porta power hand pump...

lotsa angle to tackle this lil pri=oject. none of em wrong.. just different.

soundguy

I tackled the problem on an old Allis Chalmers riding mower by adding a pulley on the front of the engine, adding an old GM power steering pump, installing the cylinder from an old Gilson tractor, purchased a valve system..........from somewhere...........then removed the spring from the power steering pump and stretched it a little at a time till I got the pressure I needed to work the attachments.

It worked like a charm:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

EDIT: The 2160 Cub Cadet I sold last year had the 'electric over hydraulic' cylinder for operating the tiller. It did a great job. (file this under 'tips on used parts to look for')

 

[Soundguy]

yep.. seen that too.. add on power steering pump from a junkyard plumbed in with appropriate OC valving.. lotsa ways to skin this cat.

soundguy

 

[Don87]

yep.. seen that too.. add on power steering pump from a junkyard plumbed in with appropriate OC valving.. lotsa ways to skin this cat.

soundguy

I edited my previous posting to add another option for the OP