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[creekbend]

RE: shortthrow50 Impressive. :thumbsup:

 

[RoyJackson]

I think Roy asked if you could put the piston driven upper on an AR lower
HK 416 Upper

I'm trying to catch up learning about this gun, I can't figure out why HK would build a Colt clone, where they trying to get U.S. contracts for military supply? I think I read that they can not even compete for those contracts cause they are foreign.

So the 2 most cloned guns in the world came Colt, the 1911 and the M16/AR15.

JB

I did ask about a piston driven upper on an AR-15 lower. Nice pic and website for that HK 416, but I'm not sure if it will actually fit a AR-15 lower (assembly pin locations and fit to lower receiver).

If you really want to get "technical", the AR-15's are an Armalite clone. Armalite was the original designer (guy named Eugene Stoner, IIRC). Colt just got the first DoD contract.

Colt uppers won't fit most other manufacturers' lowers...the assembly pin sizes are different. It's supposed to be an easy conversion though.

 

[TripleR]

Short throw, very nice collection.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[TripleR]

Comparing Carbines: Heckler & Koch 416 -- Army Times

 

[5030]

Colt arms has probably 90% of the DOD contracts for weaponry.

Bolt action rifles are more accurate simply because you lock in the round when you close the bolt. However, they are more sensitive to SAMMI specs and headspacing.

You'll never see a military sharpshooter (long range) shoot anything but bolt action simply because a semi auto or select fire is inaccurate at long range and typically has a short tube. The longer the muzzle the more stable the projectile is, the higher the muzzle velocity (depending on charge of course) and the more manageable the firearm is at longer distance. Of course a long range firearm benefits from good optics like Schmidt & Bender, Leupold VX4 Tactical, a Huskemaw or other long range optics.

Barrett 50's are all bolt action. Savage (centerfire) is all bolt action (I have 2, both extreme long range rifles).

My 111 LRH/.338 Lapua is accurate (with the proper optic) out to 1500 Yards. The kinetic energy of the projectile at 1000 yards (3,000 feet) is comparable to a 44 S&W Magnum revolver at the muzzle and the exit velocity is between 2800 FPS and 3300 FPS depending on load. Most pistols attain an exit velocity below 1500 FPS and larger calibers even less.

Keep in mind that this gun is lethal ar 1500 Yards or 4500 feet or 3/4 mile.

To me, thats what shooting is all about.

Far as muzzle loaders go, the new generation of primer ingnited rifles are as simple to operate as any centerfire and cleaning is a snap plus out to 200 yards they are deadly accurate with a 50 cal sabot.

I have a bunch of pistols but my real passion is long guns and long range, where .5 moa can make it or break it...

 

[nwbearcat]

I did ask about a piston driven upper on an AR-15 lower. Nice pic and website for that HK 416, but I'm not sure if it will actually fit a AR-15 lower (assembly pin locations and fit to lower receiver).

If you really want to get "technical", the AR-15's are an Armalite clone. Armalite was the original designer (guy named Eugene Stoner, IIRC). Colt just got the first DoD contract.

Colt uppers won't fit most other manufacturers' lowers...the assembly pin sizes are different. It's supposed to be an easy conversion though.

There are several PDS uppers that drop onto an AR lower...based on the info on the HK website that was linked to above
HK 416 Upper 16.5 inch Barrel - HKPARTS.NET

"This unit will drop on any standard AR-15 lower receiver"

...Rock River Arms also offers a PDS rifle, and assume you could get just an upper there.

 

[JB4310]

I did ask about a piston driven upper on an AR-15 lower. Nice pic and website for that HK 416, but I'm not sure if it will actually fit a AR-15 lower (assembly pin locations and fit to lower receiver).

If you really want to get "technical", the AR-15's are an Armalite clone. Armalite was the original designer (guy named Eugene Stoner, IIRC). Colt just got the first DoD contract.

Colt uppers won't fit most other manufacturers' lowers...the assembly pin sizes are different. It's supposed to be an easy conversion though.

I have mostly Colt components, but I do have a BM lower and a lesser known upper, they all interchange. I think the front pin is slightly different, but easily overcome with a modified adaptor bolt.
A little pricey for that upper though.

I know about Stoner/ ArmaLite. They designed and sold the patent to Colt.
So I'm not sure whose clone we should call it, just like with a 1911, do you call it a Colt or a Browning clone.

Now that I bring up Brownings design, I have a 1911 clone chambered in 9 MM, made in Poland during the German occupation of WW2.
Apparently browning retained the right to market his design in other countries and Poland bought it.

Called a VIS which is "power" in Latin, also referred to as a Radom for the city where it was made. This Gun was picked up on a french beech, D-day +2 by an old timer who has since died, he carried it thru the duration of his march thru Europe, including the infamous Arden forest and the battle of the bulge. Not worth a ton of money but a remarkable storey, "don" gave it to me before he died 3-4 years ago.

Pictured here next to a colt.

Note the decocking lever, I'm not sure if that was incorporated by the Poles or the Germans when they took over production. They were way ahead in that regard, may of prevented that hole in your baseboard

Can't upload now will try later

JB

 

[RoyJackson]

...may of prevented that hole in your baseboard

JB

You have a good memory!

 

[nwbearcat]

Colt arms has probably 90% of the DOD contracts for weaponry.

Bolt action rifles are more accurate simply because you lock in the round when you close the bolt. However, they are more sensitive to SAMMI specs and headspacing.

You'll never see a military sharpshooter (long range) shoot anything but bolt action simply because a semi auto or select fire is inaccurate at long range and typically has a short tube. The longer the muzzle the more stable the projectile is, the higher the muzzle velocity (depending on charge of course) and the more manageable the firearm is at longer distance. Of course a long range firearm benefits from good optics like Schmidt & Bender, Leupold VX4 Tactical, a Huskemaw or other long range optics.

Barrett 50's are all bolt action. Savage (centerfire) is all bolt action (I have 2, both extreme long range rifles).
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@5030--I'm not sure all your statements are 100% accurate.

Barrett offers a 50 Semi-Auto, the M107 Barrett

Sniper Rifles of the World some reading here regarding sniper arms deployed (that we know about) I'm making the assumption this is somewhat accurate

M1's outfitted with scopes made a limited splash in WW2 and were probably the leading deployment for sniper rifles in Korea. I believe beginning in Vietnam, US sniper teams were pairs, one carrying a M14, and one the M40 bolt gun. From what I've read/heard else where, the SCAR is now being deployed in that role to replace the M14.

I've sat behind some very accurate bolt guns and very accurate semi-autos, and some out of each category that were far from acceptable, so to say that 1 is unconditionally less accurate than the other is a false statement. I believe that semi-auto rifles of old may have suffered that fate, the Rem 740 series possibly setting a bad tone for rifles to follow, but to make the blanket statement that a semi-auto won't shoot with a bolt gun is probably not a fair statement.

You are right that most long range rifles benefit from a longer barrel, and full auto doesn't help long range shooting, but most of those have a 3 pos safety...safe, semi, or burst/full.

If you study how many semi auto rifles work, like a Browing BAR, or an AR that use many lugs, or even the M1 Garand that uses 2 lugs... the bolt does move forward into a series of locking lugs and rotate to lock into the back of the barrel...hmmm sounds alot like what happens when you rotate the bolt on that Savage doesn't it...Just that I don't have to move to make it happen

Oh...btw...all guns are sensitive to SAMMI Specs...I've seen boxes of parts of all sorts of guns due to issues there, and lack of attention to detail can make a good gun miss a barn.

Last...your 338 is leathal WAYYYY past where you're shooting...
Brit Sniper Makes Double-Kill at 1.54 miles with .338 Lapua Mag Daily Bulletin
--just found a link off the above news article...looks like the brit's are deploying a semi-auto sharp shooter rifle...L129A1 Sharpshooter rifle - British Army Website

 

[shortthrow50]

You'll never see a military sharpshooter (long range) shoot anything but bolt action simply because a semi auto or select fire is inaccurate at long range
Barrett 50's are all bolt action.
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Hey buddy. these statements are false. Military sharpshooters use semi auto as well as bolt. Its all preference. Barret makes several semi auto rifles. I guess maybe your getting this from the movie shooter w/ mark wahlberg. The barret he was using against the helicopter in the beginning of the movie was being manually racked because the blanks being used were not powerful enough to work the action. That gun was indeed a semi auto m107. It is not offered in bolt action at all.The only barret .50bmg the military uses is the m107/ or m82 (same gun virtually both by barrett) semi auto with 10 round box magazine and has confirmed kills out to a mile and a half. Three of these semi auto barrets where used by the 3 seals that shot the somali priates that had a prisoner on the dingy floating behind the ship. All were stragtegically placed headshots that went down in these conditions: : the bobbing lifeboat, the rolling ship, hitting three targets simultaneously in darkness.

guns are only as accurate as the shooter and its all preference. people drive tacks with semi auto.


Here is the m107/ m82 with a one mile kill in iraq
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