why one should ALWAYS carry your weapon

[2manyrocks]

Roy,

I probably mispoke when I used the term nut cases. I also think there is an outright class of criminals that is growing, and I include them in the class of nuts.

In the little county north of me, the parole office told me they had 500 people on parole and they didn't know where half of them are. What worries me is that if this is representative of our other 94 counties in Tennessee, how many troublemakers are really out there?

 

[TripleR]

my dad was on his high schools rifle team, and when he went to LSU he was on their pistol team.

i even remember in the early 90's kids having shot guns in the gun racks of their trucks at school.

We use to have the same thing here and no one even locked their doors. Now if anyone even sees a gun they get all panicky.

I am saddened by what we are leaving our grand children.

 

[RoyJackson]

Roy,

I probably mispoke when I used the term nut cases. I also think there is an outright class of criminals that is growing, and I include them in the class of nuts.

In the little county north of me, the parole office told me they had 500 people on parole and they didn't know where half of them are. What worries me is that if this is representative of our other 94 counties in Tennessee, how many troublemakers are really out there?

If you think there's a growing class of criminals (I don't disagree), that's even more reason to know how to use a firearm.
A criminal wanting your possessions isn't going to worry about your health...cops can only get there after the fact...YOU need to be able to defend yourself and your family.

 

[2manyrocks]

Yes, I think there is a growing class of criminals.

30 years ago-I sometimes had to go to our local criminal court, and hardly anybody was there. I had to go again a few years ago as part of my job. Well, the courtroom was packed, and 80% of the cases either directly involved drugs or indirectly involved drugs with people stealing to pay for drugs.

There is an economist's research paper in which he concluded that the reason one South American government lost control to drug cartels and became one of the most murderous nations in the world was because they lost control over low level offenders. He went on to say that this caused people to become bolder in committing greater offenses until murder became common. He then concluded his paper by saying it wouldn't happen in the USA because the Federal government would respond to control it.

Well.....I guess we'll see what happens.

 

[rsewill]

The nut jobs will always be out there and guns are easy for them to buy. But there aren't that many nut jobs. The majority of people in the USA who die from guns are either suicides or accidental. So if one of your guns is used to kill a person it will probably be by one of those two ways.

 

[RoyJackson]

The nut jobs will always be out there and guns are easy for them to buy. But there aren't that many nut jobs. The majority of people in the USA who die from guns are either suicides or accidental. So if one of your guns is used to kill a person it will probably be by one of those two ways.

Wrong again!!
Most people killed by guns are hoodlums killing hoodlums (no real loss).
Accidental deaths are there, but way below cars, ladders, etc. Accidental death by firearms aren't in the top ten...maybe not even in the top 20.
Suicide...again, pills, hanging...

See, rsewill...you just don't know enough about firearms and the statistics petaining to them to make a logical post.
Maybe you should leave the topic of firearms alone and find another topic...

 

[jonyyuma]

Tennessee is a Concealed Carry Permit, It bothers me too so many are wearing it outside on holster like they were LEO? I carry concealed as the permit states..

 

[rsewill]

Wrong again!!
Most people killed by guns are hoodlums killing hoodlums (no real loss).
Accidental deaths are there, but way below cars, ladders, etc. Accidental death by firearms aren't in the top ten...maybe not even in the top 20.
Suicide...again, pills, hanging...

See, rsewill...you just don't know enough about firearms and the statistics petaining to them to make a logical post.
Maybe you should leave the topic of firearms alone and find another topic...

The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides,[5] with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths.[6]

 

[TripleR]

The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides,[5] with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths.[6]

You really need to refine your "research" as "homicides" often include "justifiable homicide" by civilian and law enforcement.

Might want to do some research on suicides in other countries as our rates are no that much compared to others and a gun doesn't cause suicide or does a train as in Japan that is a popular method along with jumping off of buildings; maybe outlaw tall buildings.

Your assertions are absurd.

 

[polo1665]

You really need to refine your "research" as "homicides" often include "justifiable homicide" by civilian and law enforcement.

Might want to do some research on suicides in other countries as our rates are no that much compared to others and a gun doesn't cause suicide or does a train as in Japan that is a popular method along with jumping off of buildings; maybe outlaw tall buildings.

Your assertions are absurd.

Actually, according to the NRA, he's right. Granted the data is older (1996 vintage). It does state that there were more suicides committed in the United States by firearms than there were homicides (justifiable or otherwise).
NRA Information - Gun Violence in America

Keep in mind that this data is for deaths caused by firearms only. It is not about all homicides or suicides, just those committed by firearms.

Surprised me.

 

[duke7595]

I have a question for TRIPLE R ,

You make a valid point about a Off duty cop taking the suspects into custody with out any shooting.

Case scenario; Two men rob a bank, they exit onto a crowed street guns in hand, off duty cop witnesses the robbers . Cop is with in 30 feet of them he Identifies himself as a policeman he also has his weapon in hand and orders them to drop their weapons he then takes cover behind a mail drop box, the robbers open fire on the cop what should he do ?

!. Return fire ?
2. Don't return fire ?

3. Don't Identify himself as a off duty cop and keep the robbers under
surveillance while calling 911 and giving Intel on the suspects every move ?

Back to the waffle house shooting. The shooter is a customer in a public place where there are a number of innocent people.
Any good cop worth his salt would not engage while in the waffle house if at all practical. He would wait until the suspects leave the waffle house, unless there is a strong possibility that one or both suspects intend to harm someone.

Remember this is a off duty cop trained to react properly to this kind of situation. If shots were fired inside the waffle house it is more then likely the other customers would have been injured or killed . It so happened that only the suspect was killed.

A policeman is trained to never engage where there is a chance of innocent people being harmed . Money is replaceable human lives are not.

The scenario about the bank robbery is a true story it occurred in New Jersey in a business district and the street was crowded with people. If a single shot would have been fired a civilian would have been hit.

I chose # 3 and followed the suspects and they were apprehended without anyone being hurt. I am a retired State Policeman (Trooper) and now live in Missouri.

I felt compelled to share this story because of the waffle house incident, we have many citizens carrying weapons, and we must be responsible for are actions.

Sincerely, Duke

 

[2manyrocks]

I'm not from NJ or Missouri, but thank you for your service.

 

[duke7595]

Thank you sir,
You are very welcome for your kind response.

Sincerely, Duke

 

[texasjohn]

Duke, you are correct.....a response to a situation depends on many factors, each situation is unique and circumstances vary. FYI, I selected option 3 because there was no immediate life threat, LEO was outnumbered, backup was needed, delay could wait for backup and fewer bystanders.

Welcome to TBN....and thanks for your service...and good judgement under stress:thumbsup:

 

[TripleR]

Actually, according to the NRA, he's right. Granted the data is older (1996 vintage). It does state that there were more suicides committed in the United States by firearms than there were homicides (justifiable or otherwise).
NRA Information - Gun Violence in America

Keep in mind that this data is for deaths caused by firearms only. It is not about all homicides or suicides, just those committed by firearms.

Surprised me.

My point was that not all "homicides" are a crime as "justifiable homicides" ie Law Enforcement and civilian self defense are included in many reports.

As to suicides, I am saying that while guns may be used in suicides, they do not cause suicide as other countries with strong gun control have higher suicide rates, they just find some other way to commit suicide.

While the statement that strict gun controls reduce the number of suicides by gun may be defensible, it does not mean strict gun control reduces the number of suicides.

I use to research all this, but have kind of lost interest as it seems everyone's mind is made up and unwilling to change absent some personal experience. Plus, I may be getting lazy.

 

[polo1665]

My point was that not all "homicides" are a crime as "justifiable homicides" ie Law Enforcement and civilian self defense are included in many reports.

As to suicides, I am saying that while guns may be used in suicides, they do not cause suicide as other countries with strong gun control have higher suicide rates, they just find some other way to commit suicide.

While the statement that strict gun controls reduce the number of suicides by gun may be defensible, it does not mean strict gun control reduces the number of suicides.

I use to research all this, but have kind of lost interest as it seems everyone's mind is made up and unwilling to change absent some personal experience. Plus, I may be getting lazy.

Hey, I certainly don't prescribe to rsewill's viewpoint on handgun ownership, but it remains that the statistics he posted on homicides vs. suicide are correct. I also agree that if the guns weren't used some other means would be employed, especially when it comes to suicide.

I typically stay out of these handgun/firearms melees, now I see why.

 

[TripleR]

Hey, I certainly don't prescribe to rsewill's viewpoint on handgun ownership, but it remains that the statistics he posted on homicides vs. suicide are correct. I also agree that if the guns weren't used some other means would be employed, especially when it comes to suicide.

I typically stay out of these handgun/firearms melees, now I see why.

I don't argue with the statistics, just what they mean. I have seen the same set of statistics to argue both sides of a discussion. Darrell Huff wrote a book entitled "How to Lie with Statistics".

 

[Mace Canute]

Suicide rates between Canada and the USA are virtually identical. One would suspect that if guns caused suicides that the USA would have a much higher rate than Canada. Apparently the argument against having guns because of suicides is a Red Herring.

Also from Black Men Live Longer Behind Bars @PolicyMic | Matthew Clair...

A black man has a longer life expectancy in prison than in average society.

According to a recent study published in the Annals of Epidemiology, black men in North Carolina prisons have a significantly lower chance of death in prison than out of it.

What sort of lifestyle on the outside would have a bit to do with that I wonder?

 

[firedog]

Then comes this:

A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor's window is now facing a felony charge -- and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.

New Hampshire Man Arrested For Firing Gun Into Ground While Catching Suspected Burglar | Fox News

 

[Bird]

I don't argue with the statistics, just what they mean. I have seen the same set of statistics to argue both sides of a discussion. Darrell Huff wrote a book entitled "How to Lie with Statistics".

You probably have a better memory than I. I had to read that book many years ago, but I would have had no idea now who the author was.:laughing: